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Quite the oposite.
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Is Dhoni greatest OdI cricketer off all-time
- Thread starter Xuhaib
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Well, it's not a like-for-like comparison, is it?
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Yep. Mind you, I'm not saying he's best ever, or anything of the sort. Dhoni still has much more to accomplish in his career, and will end his career as one of the top 10 greatest ODI cricketers IMO.
But... even now, to say he's not in the top 100 ODI cricketers of all time is criminally underrating him (as you said).
He's been playing ODI cricket for quite a while now, and to keep up that record is amazing.
duffer
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Yeah this, excellent keeper batsmen with leadership and tactical acumen. Hope he doesn't burn out from such a heavy workload.
Underrated Dhoni
Dhoni is one of those players who are the complete package and are at completely at ease in the international glare. He treats internationals like local matches..
Consider this -
1) When he started, he was a great hitter whom Ganguly used to pulverize oppositions
2) He graduated to playing mature innings
3) He became captain, won the T20 WC
4) Led India to an ODI win in Aus, and later thrashings of Eng, SL in SL and NZ in NZ.
5) Has converted himself into a floater who comes in around the 30th over and invariably sticks around till the end
6) To his credit, he scores runs and remains N.O. Not like many others who remain N.O to boost their avg
7) Provided the solution to Ajantha Mendis in the ODI series when India's fab 4 failed miserably in the test series before that
8) After Ind lost the T20's in NZ, in the first ODI, he came in at No.3 and scored 80 odd to give the batters confidence that this
could be done.
To sum it up, Dhoni is not an attractive strokeplayer like Sehwag, Gilly and Viv and hence will never be considered in their league. IMHO, he is beyond all 3 for the pure fact that he controls the field in whichever capacity he turns up and he brings a lot of intangibles to the table which are priceless.
However, to be fair to the others, it is too early to judge him. If he retires this year, then in my opinion, he is the greatest ODI cricketer ever, not necessarily batsman.
Dhoni is one of those players who are the complete package and are at completely at ease in the international glare. He treats internationals like local matches..
Consider this -
1) When he started, he was a great hitter whom Ganguly used to pulverize oppositions
2) He graduated to playing mature innings
3) He became captain, won the T20 WC
4) Led India to an ODI win in Aus, and later thrashings of Eng, SL in SL and NZ in NZ.
5) Has converted himself into a floater who comes in around the 30th over and invariably sticks around till the end
6) To his credit, he scores runs and remains N.O. Not like many others who remain N.O to boost their avg
7) Provided the solution to Ajantha Mendis in the ODI series when India's fab 4 failed miserably in the test series before that
8) After Ind lost the T20's in NZ, in the first ODI, he came in at No.3 and scored 80 odd to give the batters confidence that this
could be done.
To sum it up, Dhoni is not an attractive strokeplayer like Sehwag, Gilly and Viv and hence will never be considered in their league. IMHO, he is beyond all 3 for the pure fact that he controls the field in whichever capacity he turns up and he brings a lot of intangibles to the table which are priceless.
However, to be fair to the others, it is too early to judge him. If he retires this year, then in my opinion, he is the greatest ODI cricketer ever, not necessarily batsman.
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Neil Pickup
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Lots of people (including Davison) have an average higher than Afridi, but no one has a higher strike rate.
Lots of people (including Viru) have an average higher than Davison, but none of them have a higher strike rate.
Lots of people (including Gilchrist) have an average higher than Sehwag, but none of them have a higher strike rate.
Lots of people (including Symonds) have an average higher than Gilchrist, but none of them have a higher strike rate.
Lots of people (including Dhoni) have an average higher than Symonds, but none of them have a higher strike rate.
A few people (including Hussey) have an average higher than Dhoni, but none of them have a higher strike rate [except Guptill, Amla and RTD*].
No one has a higher average than Hussey*, so it doesn't matter that loads of people have higher strike rates.
* My cut off of 20 innings means these three get ignored
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Ditto those who rate someone based purely on stats.
Relating to Dhoni, he's been very consistent in racking up the 50's of late, sure. And he's probably a bit under-rated in general. But his average is inflated by the number of not-outs and you only need to look at the number of teams he has an average not too far below his top score against them to see that. Since he bats towards the bottom of the top-6, of course his strike-rate is going to be higher. He's nowhere near someone like Gilly, Tendulkar, Lara, etc. at the present time.
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SJS
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Of course he is, he is also the most handsome, the strongest, the most virile, has the highest IQ, the greatest sense of humour, the highest sperm count ..............
...... to be continued
Trumpers_Ghost
U19 Cricketer
I believe this thread would have some credibility if it was titled something like "Is Dhoni a real Gun player who in future may become one of India's best ever ODI performers?"
For anyone to suggest that he is the best ever
, or even in the 10 best ever is so far off the mark that it only suggests that the writer is too blinkered in their pro-India bias, has little or no historical knowledge, is a fifteen year old out of their league in terms of matches witnessed, or just someone with little knowledge of cricket full-stop.
A little reminder of the gum chewin Antiguin. HE WON M.O.M. IN A WORLD CUP FINAL FOR HIS FIELDING ALONE.
Try beating that. (oh and he was the most devastating batsman the form of the game has yet to see)
cheers
ps And I must say I am a big Dhoni fan!!
For anyone to suggest that he is the best ever
, or even in the 10 best ever is so far off the mark that it only suggests that the writer is too blinkered in their pro-India bias, has little or no historical knowledge, is a fifteen year old out of their league in terms of matches witnessed, or just someone with little knowledge of cricket full-stop.A little reminder of the gum chewin Antiguin. HE WON M.O.M. IN A WORLD CUP FINAL FOR HIS FIELDING ALONE.
Try beating that. (oh and he was the most devastating batsman the form of the game has yet to see)cheers
ps And I must say I am a big Dhoni fan!!
bagapath
International Captain
dude, the thread starter is a pakistani. if he has a pro-india bias, then i guess we are living in a nicer world than i feared. he is a dhoni fan just like you say you are. and i am an indian but a bigger wasim akram fan than most pakistanis; i dont think i have a pro-pakistani bias if i claim he is the greatest ODI bowler of all time.I believe this thread would have some credibility if it was titled something like "Is Dhoni a real Gun player who in future may become one of India's best ever ODI performers?"
For anyone to suggest that he is the best ever
A little reminder of the gum chewin Antiguin. HE WON M.O.M. IN A WORLD CUP FINAL FOR HIS FIELDING ALONE.
cheers
ps And I must say I am a big Dhoni fan!!
i, too, think the gum chewing antiguan is the greatest cricketer i have seen and would be narrowly ahead of even sachin in ODIs. but he did not win the MOM award for his fielding. Clive Lloyd won the award for his 87 ball 102, at the time the fastest 100 in ODIs, in the 1975 WC final. Richards won the award in the next edition for his 138 not out which included the famous last ball six of hendrix.
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Trumpers_Ghost
U19 Cricketer
Ok understood, he must then fall under the other possibilities I mentioned. Besides there are actually others who have supported the Hypothesis.
And mentioning Akram really puts you onside with me. He would be a genuine contender. Super Player.
cheers
Trumpers_Ghost
U19 Cricketer
bagapath
International Captain
come on man, dont be too harsh on xuhaib. i am sure he can stand up for himself but you shouldn't accuse a usually good poster of not having any idea on cricket history. even you got some facts wrong (MOM to Richards for fielding) but it doesnt mean you are a 15 year old who started watching cricket recently.
back on topic trumpers_ghost... here are my contenders for top 5 ODI cricketers of all time. you can choose five of them and the other five would naturally make up the rest of top 10 of all time, i think
richards
tendulkar
akram
bevan
garner
waqar
pollock
lara
ponting
murali
Migara
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Jayasuriya is a GLARING ommision, given his all round ability and captaincy.
Migara
Cricketer Of The Year
Strictly speaking Jaya and De Silva won it. Dhoni ATM is a better batsman than Jayasuriya. But Jaya's other assets elevates him up to the top of the tree
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Do they? Tough comparison for me. One keeps wicket, one bowls decently in the middle overs, and they're both pretty good captains (I'd say Dhoni's a bit better, but hasn't been doing it for as long). Sanath's obviously miles ahead in terms of achievements. If you ask me who i'd prefer in my team i probably couldn't give a straight answer.
Agree.. But Jaya has a world cup medal, Tendulkar and Dhoni dont. so Jaya is greater than them in the ODI's and the impact he makes in the ODI game is tremendous.. Tendy maybe the greatest player ever.. But Jayasuriya is the best ODI player...