Yasir Shah: Century Man

[indiaholic]

******** to believe that PEDs don't have any benefit if they are no longer in a person's blood.

 

[Burner]

Nah, cricket would have survived if Yasir got a lengthy ban. Would probably have been better off in the long run.

 

[indiaholic]

Yeah who cares if an individual player plays or not. The only person who is impacted is the player himself. Sure I may not have had the privilege of watching him dismantle a rubbish windies side but I can't miss something I don't know was going to happen.

 

[cnerd123]

******** to believe that PEDs don't have any benefit if they are no longer in a person's blood.

What word got censored there? 8 letters???

 

[Jono]

I'm sure the batsmen who Yasir dismissed because he was able to recover quicker are pleased too.

 

[indiaholic]

What word got censored there? 8 letters???

The word used for the cognitively impaired.

 

[hendrix]

Honestly find it hard to care that Yasir took something that may have arguably helped him recover from injuries better etc. Cricket would be so much worse if he'd got a lengthy ban.

I agree with Cabinets lack of care, but thats because recently i've become a lot more sympathetic to PED use, especially when it relates to non-contact sports

I mean these people train every day for several hours, put their bodies through immense stress and risk injury in order to feed their families. This is what they do for their career. Its their livelihood. These are the people who are the most in need of drugs that can help them heal faster, yet they are banned from it while your average gym bro who works a 9-5 job can juice himself up just for fun and no one stops him.

I think we have it backwards tbh. The only issue i have with PEDs is that they are expensive, and ultimately it may turn out that the team/players that can afford the best gear are the one who become most succesful, which then turns sport into a competition of money rather than skill.

Nope. You have it backwards.

There are negative health consequences to taking drugs. Doctors are constantly making a decision whether to advise someone to have surgery or take a drug, as sometimes the risks outweigh the benefits. These risks are almost inherent. Think about a drug that promotes cell repair: at a molecular level, the genes that are switched on are often the same as those involved in cancer. Likewise, blood doping absolutely increases your risk of a heart attack. At a basic, fundamental level, there's always a side effect to anything you put in your body.

There are lines that have to be set somewhere, and to many people these will seem arbitrary. And they are arbitrary.

But the consequences of not setting these lines are what we see in many American sports where people are forced to sacrifice their health for their career - now, that already happens even without drugs, of course. But why make it worse? Also consider the dose - people will always push the boundaries, always want that extra bit of muscle, always want to recover that much quicker. You're introducing a financial incentive for someone to push those boundaries further - make that final next week, get a $500K bonus. etc etc.

Now I'm not particularly interested in the guy with the 9-5 who takes steroids he can do what he wants (even though I think it's an incredibly stupid thing to do), but also keep in mind the consequences of his actions and the fitness industry as a whole. Why is it that the average joe wants to take steroids? Why would he sacrifice his long term health and money when he has nothing to gain from it except some beach muscles? Might it be something to do with body image issues? Would he not be better off doing things that boost his self esteem in other ways?

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'm definitely more sympathetic to the "taking PEDs to enhance my time of injury recovery " cases than the "taking PEDs to overperform on the field". They're both still ****** but the latter is what you could actually say undermines the sport itself as a contest on the field.

 

[Flem274*]

the guy with the 9-5 who takes steroids he can do what he wants (even though I think it's an incredibly stupid thing to do), but also keep in mind the consequences of his actions and the fitness industry as a whole. Why is it that the average joe wants to take steroids? Why would he sacrifice his long term health and money when he has nothing to gain from it except some beach muscles? Might it be something to do with body image issues? Would he not be better off doing things that boost his self esteem in other ways?

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[cnerd123]

Nope. You have it backwards.

There are negative health consequences to taking drugs. Doctors are constantly making a decision whether to advise someone to have surgery or take a drug, as sometimes the risks outweigh the benefits. These risks are almost inherent. Think about a drug that promotes cell repair: at a molecular level, the genes that are switched on are often the same as those involved in cancer. Likewise, blood doping absolutely increases your risk of a heart attack. At a basic, fundamental level, there's always a side effect to anything you put in your body.

There are lines that have to be set somewhere, and to many people these will seem arbitrary. And they are arbitrary.

But the consequences of not setting these lines are what we see in many American sports where people are forced to sacrifice their health for their career - now, that already happens even without drugs, of course. But why make it worse? Also consider the dose - people will always push the boundaries, always want that extra bit of muscle, always want to recover that much quicker. You're introducing a financial incentive for someone to push those boundaries further - make that final next week, get a $500K bonus. etc etc.

So I guess we are talking drugs here

I dont disagree with anything you say, except that I dont think there is anything wrong with a grown adult making a conscious choice about what he or she puts in their body.

If you want to take risks with your healh, that is your choice. Simply playing a sport of any kind increases your risk of injury. Contact sports lead to concussions and brain damage. Taking up smoking or drinking has adverse long term health risks. Even going to McDonalds every night will cut years from your life.

I dont think it is any one persons right to tell another person what they can or can not do with their health. I dont think we should be banning PED usage 'for the athletes own good'. They are grown adults who can make their own choices. I'd much rather legalise it and have better quality control and education; and I dont mean that just for PEDs, id like that for all drugs.

your last para i agree with but it isnt exactly relevant to athletes and sports so I cut it out; the point I was driving at was that the people who stand most to benefit from PEDs w/regards to their careers are the ones who are bwing banned from using them, which is weird IMO.

 

[indiaholic]

Exactly why they are banned IMO. You don't want people to be guinea pigs for any substance that can give them a 1% edge and if you legalize this, you can be rest assured that athletes will be exactly that.

 

[cnerd123]

Exactly why they are banned IMO. You don't want people to be guinea pigs for any substance that can give them a 1% edge and if you legalize this, you can be rest assured that athletes will be exactly that.

Let them. I still dont see how letting grown free adults decide for themselves what they wanna put in their body is a bad thing.

Might as well ban athletes from smoking, alcohol, junk food etc. if you believe that their health is really your concern.

 

[Howe_zat]

wtf did ***** just go libertarian on cricket

sport has rules

we could let cricketers punch each other in the face to stop them taking a run but we don't because we want to watch a contest with specific boundaries

 

[hendrix]

Let them. I still dont see how letting grown free adults decide for themselves what they wanna put in their body is a bad thing.

Might as well ban athletes from smoking, alcohol, junk food etc. if you believe that their health is really your concern.

I think you're missing the point.

By allowing it you're effectively saying that if you want to have a career in sports you have to use PEDs. That's removing their choice.

I wouldn't have a problem if there were separate leagues that allowed doping as then the athletes still have a choice as to which they want to compete in.

 

[Cabinet96]

That covers plenty of PEDs. Faster recovery is one of the key benefits of PEDs, and often why it is taken.

So you may as well amend your post to say "find it hard to care that Yasir took PEDs"

Honestly find it hard to care that Yasir took PEDs.

 

[91Jmay]

There are also plenty of studies that show the PEDs also help improve performance after the person has recovered from said injury.

Although I have my doubts over using a PED would help you bowl leg spin any better to be frank. Pace bowler, sure I could see it but short of shoulder muscles I can't really see how it helps a spinner.

 

[Furball]

Yeah I can't possibly see how strengthening a joint that you put a lot of strain on could possibly be an advantage.

 

[indiaholic]

PEDs depending on what you are using can help with endurance. Endurance can be a big factor on how your bowling action holds up under fatigue. It will 100% help Yasir.

 

[smash84]

yeah i can't possibly see how strengthening a joint that you put a lot of strain on could possibly be an advantage.

peds depending on what you are using can help with endurance. Endurance can be a big factor on how your bowling action holds up under fatigue. It will 100% help yasir.

umm, he's being sarcastic

 

[cnerd123]

I think you're missing the point.

By allowing it you're effectively saying that if you want to have a career in sports you have to use PEDs. That's removing their choice.

I wouldn't have a problem if there were separate leagues that allowed doping as then the athletes still have a choice as to which they want to compete in.

Yea ultimately I agree with this too. A doping league and a non-doping league.

I also believe Yasir broke the rules and should be punished ftr; but since I disagree with the premise of the rules themselves I find it hard to feel strongly about him breaking them