Yasir Shah: Century Man

[OverratedSanity]

Yea ultimately I agree with this too. A doping league and a non-doping league.

wtf? Are you trolling? I can't tell these days.

 

[OverratedSanity]

There are also plenty of studies that show the PEDs also help improve performance after the person has recovered from said injury.

Although I have my doubts over using a PED would help you bowl leg spin any better to be frank. Pace bowler, sure I could see it but short of shoulder muscles I can't really see how it helps a spinner.

Yeah I can't possibly see how strengthening a joint that you put a lot of strain on could possibly be an advantage.

Hey I don't disagree at all. I'm talking about the motive here, not the actual result of taking the PEDs. I think someone taking drugs with the specific aim of bowling better is slightly worse than someone doing it to get back on the pitch again. There's something more cynical about the former. This obviously in no way condones what Yasir did, in fact I reckon he should've got a much, much longer ban. Just that I can understand and sympathise with one circumstance more than the other.

 

[Shri]

The word used for the cognitively impaired.

But indiaholic is ten letters long.

 

[listento_me]

Hey I don't disagree at all. I'm talking about the motive here, not the actual result of taking the PEDs. I think someone taking drugs with the specific aim of bowling better is slightly worse than someone doing it to get back on the pitch again. There's something more cynical about the former. This obviously in no way condones what Yasir did, in fact I reckon he should've got a much, much longer ban. Just that I can understand and sympathise with one circumstance more than the other.

He was proven innocent. Unless you can prove otherwise, this discussion is mute.

 

[listento_me]

Btw, highest wicket taker in test cricket after 18 matches. One of the select few Pakistani bowlers with 2 ten fors in a year, both in winning efforts. Match winning great.

 

[cnerd123]

wtf? Are you trolling? I can't tell these days.

Good, and I hope you can never tell and I hope it haunts you for the rest of your life
/gnske

Im serious about my views on PEDS ftr

 

[hendrix]

He was proven innocent. Unless you can prove otherwise, this discussion is mute.

*moot,

He was not proven innocent.

And as discussed in the original thread, there are plenty of reasons why the disapprove of the shortened suspension. Look up the original thread.

 

[smash84]

Yeah what's with people saying mute instead of moot. Was another instance in another thread

 

[Jono]

Good, and I hope you can never tell and I hope it haunts you for the rest of your life
/gnske

Im serious about my views on PEDS ftr

***** I can (kind of) accept you ruining my kiwahh and de Villiers being the real AB trolling with Burgey memes, but this is going too far.

 

[honestbharani]

Jo(ni)waaaahhh

 

[listento_me]

*moot,

He was not proven innocent.

And as discussed in the original thread, there are plenty of reasons why the disapprove of the shortened suspension. Look up the original thread.

He took his wifes medication. If you can prove he took it knowingly, please prove it. If not goodbye.

Yeah what's with people saying mute instead of moot. Was another instance in another thread

My bad. I dunno why I typed mute.

Still, the discussion is moot and we need to be talking about Shahs performances rather than what he MAY have done.

From my experience on other forums, talking about a great player from anywhere other than India or Australia becomes very difficult to do. Sort yourself out people.

 

[smash84]

He took his wifes medication. If you can prove he took it knowingly, please prove it. If not goodbye.



My bad. I dunno why I typed mute.

Still, the discussion is moot and we need to be talking about Shahs performances rather than what he MAY have done.

From my experience on other forums, talking about a great player from anywhere other than India or Australia becomes very difficult to do. Sort yourself out people.

Haha, tbf it isn't easy to talk about tendulkar. Because of legions of his worshippers praising him to the sky, there is the burgey type anti tendi brigade that wants to even things up

 

[hendrix]

He took his wifes medication. If you can prove he took it knowingly, please prove it. If not goodbye.

You said he was proven innocent. He was not. You're asking me to prove him guilty. Not the same thing.

And no, it's not just a technicality.

When you're found to have drugs in your system it's up to you to prove innocence. He wasn't innocent, hence the ban. The bullshit extenuating circumstances (find the original thread for a critique) don't make him innocent, they're just extenuating circumstances.

BTW, in case of intentional PED usage (which I think is likely), I think the PCB doctors are more to blame than him.

 

[cnerd123]

He wasn't proven to have PEDs in his system ftr. He was proven to have a drug that could be used as a masking agent for PEDs; and he was also able to produce prescriptions for his wife's blood pressure pills that contained that, and his own prescription for pills that did not contain that but did look similar

 

[mr_mister]

tbh it's great and all he was so fast to 100 test wickets but i'm interested in seeing if he was also the fastest to leak 3000 runs against his bowling (going by matches)

 

[hendrix]

He wasn't proven to have PEDs in his system ftr. He was proven to have a drug that could be used as a masking agent for PEDs; and he was also able to produce prescriptions for his wife's blood pressure pills that contained that, and his own prescription for pills that did not contain that but did look similar

I know that, but I think PED usage was likely.

 

[cnerd123]

I know that, but I think PED usage was likely.

Literally no evidence of that tho.

It was't even something like an estrogen blocker. It was a diuretic. Same thing Warne got busted for.

 

[hendrix]

Literally no evidence of that tho.

It was't even something like an estrogen blocker. It was a diuretic. Same thing Warne got busted for.

There are two good reasons someone would use an diuretic to gain an advantage. Weight loss and to clear out other PEDs. Either reason is cheating.

If you read Yasir Shah's story it comes across as the doctors scrambling to find a prescription drug that has the banned substance in it. Their first option was the one Yasir listed as he was taking regularly for blood pressure. When they realised that that particular diuretic wasn't actually in the medication, they changed it to his wife.

The case basically comes down to believing the words of the same doctors that likely supplied him with the diuretic.

 

[hendrix]

It's also rather trite to suggest "no evidence of PED usage" when you're using a masking agent...of course there's no evidence of it that's why it's a masking agent.

 

[cnerd123]

There are two good reasons someone would use an diuretic to gain an advantage. Weight loss and to clear out other PEDs. Either reason is cheating.

If you read Yasir Shah's story it comes across as the doctors scrambling to find a prescription drug that has the banned substance in it. Their first option was the one Yasir listed as he was taking regularly for blood pressure. When they realised that that particular diuretic wasn't actually in the medication, they changed it to his wife.

The case basically comes down to believing the words of the same doctors that likely supplied him with the diuretic.

Sure; but see in one case you have the words of some qualified professionals, and on the other side you have a theory.

I dont think the balance of probability weighs it in favour of Yasir cheating.