Yasir Shah: Century Man

[Black_Warrior]

Jono to waah so bad

 

[Burgey]

I thought he liked small, nondescript squares? He likes Tendulkar.

 

[Xuhaib]

He has been way below his best in this series in terms of ability but still to pick up 10 wickets on this pitch is a tremendous achievement. He has sort of lost his length but it can happen to anyone. I'm sure he will pick it up soon enough. He loves control, Misbah loves control, so when he doesn't get it right, rest assured it is being looked at.

Yes he is getting cut far too often maybe its the slow pitches that is allowing the batsman to play that shot but he has bowled in UAE before and he never faced this issue of being cut so much definetley an area in his game which needs readressing.

 

[vcs]

Meh, so he got a 10-fer costing over 200. Ashwin would have cleaned WI up for <100.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Meh, so he got a 10-fer costing over 200. Ashwin would have cleaned WI up for <100.

Ashwin vs West Indies 17 wickets in 4 matches
Yasir vs West Indies 17 wickets in 2 matches

 

[Black_Warrior]

Yes he is getting cut far too often maybe its the slow pitches that is allowing the batsman to play that shot but he has bowled in UAE before and he never faced this issue of being cut so much definetley an area in his game which needs readressing.

Mushie is needed back as a bowling coach...at least for the test series in NZ/AUS

 

[smash84]

Mushie is needed back as a bowling coach...at least for the test series in NZ/AUS

Yasir should reach out to his buddy Shane Warne on how to bowl in AUS

 

[listento_me]

Mushie is needed back as a bowling coach...at least for the test series in NZ/AUS

I think I agree with this. Shah is going to need a lot of help and tutoring for him to play well in Australia. TBH, Pakistan should beat NZ and they should have several away wins over them already, it's just that they have let too many tests go and allowed NZ to come back.

Aus will be the real tour. No offence kiwis.

 

[Black_Warrior]

^ Yeah I wouldn't be so ****y about it. This is a funny game. Some people didn't expect England-BD to go into Day 5 or be a contest at all. New Zealand would be playing at home and would have the advantage. Pakistan haven't played there in over 5 years and the conditions they got in England weren't really seaming in the traditional sense. They will probably bet that in NZ.

 

[Cabinet96]

Honestly find it hard to care that Yasir took something that may have arguably helped him recover from injuries better etc. Cricket would be so much worse if he'd got a lengthy ban.

 

[Jono]

Honestly find it hard to care that Yasir took something that may have arguably helped him recover from injuries better etc.

That covers plenty of PEDs. Faster recovery is one of the key benefits of PEDs, and often why it is taken.

So you may as well amend your post to say "find it hard to care that Yasir took PEDs"

 

[cnerd123]

That covers plenty of PEDs. Faster recovery is one of the key benefits of PEDs, and often why it is taken.

So you may as well amend your post to say "find it hard to care that Yasir took PEDs"

I agree with Cabinets lack of care, but thats because recently i've become a lot more sympathetic to PED use, especially when it relates to non-contact sports

I mean these people train every day for several hours, put their bodies through immense stress and risk injury in order to feed their families. This is what they do for their career. Its their livelihood. These are the people who are the most in need of drugs that can help them heal faster, yet they are banned from it while your average gym bro who works a 9-5 job can juice himself up just for fun and no one stops him.

I think we have it backwards tbh. The only issue i have with PEDs is that they are expensive, and ultimately it may turn out that the team/players that can afford the best gear are the one who become most succesful, which then turns sport into a competition of money rather than skill.

 

[Jono]

Don't understand the contact distinction, when in cricket a fast bowler on PEDs can fling a ball harder at a batsman's head. Obviously that isn't relevant for Shah and Warne etc., but it sure does impact why someone like Shoaiib taking PEDs is dangerouus as ****.

Just don't break the rules ffs.

 

[cnerd123]

Don't understand the contact distinction, when in cricket a fast bowler on PEDs can fling a ball harder at a batsman's head. Obviously that isn't relevant for Shah and Warne etc., but it sure does impact why someone like Shoaiib taking PEDs is dangerouus as ****.

Just don't break the rules ffs.

Well no; we've kinda hit the upper limit on how fast a ball can be bowled already. PEDs wont make bowlers bowl at 150mph, it would just mean more guys can hit 100mph more frequently.

Id explain more but i dont wanna hijack Yasir Shah's thread to talk PEDs. HIjacking threads is restricted to AshWIN's awesomeness and trolling Burgey.

 

[Black_Warrior]

^ I don't think anyone is disputing that though. Of course the rules are necessary, important and those who break them should face the consequences. That bit is beyond conversation. But this is what I mean when I say there is a lack of nuance in CW when it comes to certain discussions and this is one of them. It's what happens afterwards.

Now let's leave the punishment aspect out for a while as it's irrelevant to what we are talking about here. We can reasonably disagree on any length of the punishment, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, lifetime. That's fine.

But it's the criminalisation of someone who breaks the rule that is my problem here. You did the crime, you do the time. That's it. That's where it ends as far as I am concerned. To keep using this as a yardstick to judge performance NOW is a problem.

And this isn't just directed at you. I saw a fair bit of whining when Yasir took 10 wickets at Lords. That was inexplicable to me. Unless there was evidence that the substance was still in his blood and he was benefiting from it, there is absolutely no reason to express disgust or contempt when he produces a stupendous performance like that.

 

[Jono]

Well no; we've kinda hit the upper limit on how fast a ball can be bowled already. PEDs wont make bowlers bowl at 150mph, it would just mean more guys can hit 100mph more frequently

haha, okay. No future PEDs will add any further speed or velocity from fast bowlers. Confirmed by Dr. *****.

 

[Jono]

^ I don't think anyone is disputing that though. Of course the rules are necessary, important and those who break them should face the consequences. That bit is beyond conversation. But this is what I mean when I say there is a lack of nuance in CW when it comes to certain discussions and this is one of them. It's what happens afterwards.

Now let's leave the punishment aspect out for a while as it's irrelevant to what we are talking about here. We can reasonably disagree on any length of the punishment, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, lifetime. That's fine.

But it's the criminalisation of someone who breaks the rule that is my problem here. You did the crime, you do the time. That's it. That's where it ends as far as I am concerned. To keep using this as a yardstick to judge performance NOW is a problem.

And this isn't just directed at you. I saw a fair bit of whining when Yasir took 10 wickets at Lords. That was inexplicable to me. Unless there was evidence that the substance was still in his blood and he was benefiting from it, there is absolutely no reason to express disgust or contempt when he produces a stupendous performance like that.

that wasn't the point Cabinet was making, nor was it the point being debated. What you are referring to is a completely separate debate..

 

[Black_Warrior]

^ Not necessarily. The thread started with his 100 wicket record. Now even with the asterisk, and taking out his wickets for the period in question, his bowling in the last two years is still phenomenal, yet there was no acknowledgement of that from you or some of the others.

Cabinet talked about how cricket would be worse off without him. It's part of the same conversation. It's his value to cricket, that he brings with his performances and has the potential to bring in the future.

 

[Jono]

And this isn't just directed at you. I saw a fair bit of whining when Yasir took 10 wickets at Lords. That was inexplicable to me. Unless there was evidence that the substance was still in his blood and he was benefiting from it, there is absolutely no reason to express disgust or contempt when he produces a stupendous performance like that.

Also its just the same reason people were booing Justin Gatlin even though he was clean (or at least as far as we know) at these Olympics.

He's a proven cheater, so people don't want him to succeed, even after he has served his punishment.

You can say its unfair, but its not inconsistent with what cheaters face all the time in every sport.

 

[Jono]

^ Not necessarily. The thread started with his 100 wicket record. Now even with the asterisk, and taking out his wickets for the period in question, his bowling in the last two years is still phenomenal, yet there was no acknowledgement of that from you or some of the others. It's part of the same conversation.

How is that relevant to the idea as to whether PEDs should be allowed or not though? The Cabinet point is different to the Yasir Shah record point. Its a broader point.