Will K.P ever be an all-time great?

[silentstriker]

Wow...your VM box...

 

[social]

The problem with KP is that his lower points are just too low. A world class player will have highs that are unbelievably good but still be able maintain some kind of consistency in the lows. KP passes the first test comfortably but not the second. He either dominates wholly or plays very badly indeed. The problem also being that when he dominates he is still prone to playing a stupid shot. See the Hauritz wicket at Cardiff as an example. KP should have knocked 150 that day and got himself out on 60.

Social's attempt to re-write history make me laugh though. Warne took 40 wickets at 19 in 05, and Mcgrath, in the matches he played, was awesome. Just have a look on Youtube at some of the shots KP played off Warne, smashing him to all 4 corners and treating him like a part-time pie chucker at time..... and remember at this time there were people saying Warne was the greatest ever.

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Warne is regarded as the greatest leggie of all time because he took 700 odd test wickets and redefined the art NOT simply because he dominated an English lineup for the umpteenth time in his career

Anyone that says the Warne of 2005 (who couldnt bowl a big-spinning leggie with any regularity, wrong'un or flipper) was better than the pre multiple injury version obviously never saw the latter bowl

As for McGrath, he was fit for one friggin test

 

[GuyFromLancs]

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Warne is regarded as the greatest leggie of all time because he took 700 odd test wickets and redefined the art NOT simply because he dominated an English lineup for the umpteenth time in his career

Anyone that says the Warne of 2005 (who couldnt bowl a big-spinning leggie with any regularity, wrong'un or flipper) was better than the pre multiple injury version obviously never saw the latter bowl

As for McGrath, he was fit for one friggin test

The stats speak for themselves. He took 40 wickets at 19 in 5 matches whilst on the losing side. Perhaps he didn't rip the ball off the surface like he did in the 90s, but he didn't need to.

Still don't let the facts get in the way of your predictable anti-KP rants.

 

[tooextracool]

Anyone that says the Warne of 2005 (who couldnt bowl a big-spinning leggie with any regularity, wrong'un or flipper) was better than the pre multiple injury version obviously never saw the latter bowl

And yet the former Warne was turned into marmalade when he toured India while the latter performed his best feats in both India and Sri Lanka. Lets get this straight, its not about how much you turn the ball.

 

[Xuhaib]

And yet the former Warne was turned into marmalade when he toured India while the latter performed his best feats in both India and Sri Lanka. Lets get this straight, its not about how much you turn the ball.

TEC,

you still have the same oponion on Sachin as your sig says?

 

[tooextracool]

TEC,

you still have the same oponion on Sachin as your sig says?

No, in my opinion, hes a better player now than he was in the 90s. Still overrated by the masses but cant take away his greatness.

 

[slowfinger]

God, Social comes in and it turns to an 'aussie greats' thread.

 

[slowfinger]

But on a more serious note, he's what 30 now, 4/5 years more. 2000/3000 more runs in that could see him taken more seriously, but with the ashes and what not, if he doesn't perform in those then that will be baddddd news for him...

 

[Furball]

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Warne is regarded as the greatest leggie of all time because he took 700 odd test wickets and redefined the art NOT simply because he dominated an English lineup for the umpteenth time in his career

Anyone that says the Warne of 2005 (who couldnt bowl a big-spinning leggie with any regularity, wrong'un or flipper) was better than the pre multiple injury version obviously never saw the latter bowl

As for McGrath, he was fit for one friggin test

He bowled a delivery to Trescothick in 2005 that turned about 3 feet. It broke Hawkeye and forced the software to be recalibrated because Hawkeye couldn't handle a delivery that turned that much.

 

[Jono]

No, in my opinion, hes a better player now than he was in the 90s. Still overrated by the masses but cant take away his greatness.

He'll always be overrated by the masses though. That's the nature of his profile and him being a prodigy. Best not to let that bother you when you view him, and just appreciate him whilst he's still playing

 

[Spark]

There is no question about the fact that KP is a special player...will he be a great? Tough to answer. What is great anyways? Winning more games for his country? Scoring tons after tons and piling up runs?

In my view KP is great in his own league and will be missed once retired. Until then enjoy the show.

Would +1 if this forum had the feature

 

[social]

And yet the former Warne was turned into marmalade when he toured India while the latter performed his best feats in both India and Sri Lanka. Lets get this straight, its not about how much you turn the ball.

When did he have his first shoulder and finger operations?

 

[social]

God, Social comes in and it turns to an 'aussie greats' thread.

Some people justify KP's standing with reference to Warne and McGrath in 2005 and 2006/7

Why not make reference to KP hitting reverse-sweep 6s off Murali shortly thereafter?

Because someone would mention the fact that Murali has been massively owned by the Aussies and Indians since then so maybe the achievement is not all that much when taken into perspective of where Murali was in his career

KP is an exceptional player but IMO, he's come up against some of the greats at the right time and will go down as a "coulda, shoulda, woulda" player rather than a great but that also masks the obvious technical and mental weaknesses in his game

 

[Furball]

Some people justify KP's standing with reference to Warne and McGrath in 2005 and 2006/7

Why not make reference to KP hitting reverse-sweep 6s off Murali shortly thereafter?

Because someone would mention the fact that Murali has been massively owned by the Aussies and Indians since then so maybe the achievement is not all that much when taken into perspective of where Murali was in his career

KP is an exceptional player but IMO, he's come up against some of the greats at the right time and will go down as a "coulda, shoulda, woulda" player rather than a great but that also masks the obvious technical and mental weaknesses in his game

Or maybe it's because given the rivalry between England and Australia, more importance is placed on a players' Ashes performances. Reverse sweeping Murali for 6 pales into insignificance besides an Ashes winning ton.

 

[Pothas]

Boring.

KP is great because he is KP.

Could not care less if he meets some mythical defintion of what makes a great player.

 

[slowfinger]

Have this, K.P is gonna run off the pitch whilst batting if his wife gets her baby, hm....

 

[Teja.]

As a nuetral, Watching an England Cricket match before used to be like watching paint dry but with KP and Swanneh, England are now one of the more exciting teams in the World. Realistically I don't think he will reach the heights the Dravids or the Pontings did, but he will definitely leave a mark on Cricket and Ashes history.

 

[slowfinger]

As a nuetral, Watching an England Cricket match before used to be like watching paint dry but with KP and Swanneh, England are now one of the more exciting teams in the World. Realistically I don't think he will reach the heights the Dravids or the Pontings did, but he will definitely leave a mark on Cricket and Ashes history.

Methinks.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

He could be one,he has the talent.He has a platform of an average of around 50 to kick on with and is one of the most feared batsmen in the world.I don't think he will though as he is too egotistical and wants to entertain by dominating rather than score the runs he could and should.

 

[GotSpin]

Will most likely be remembered as the best English batsmen of this era but a yard short of the other great batsmen of this time.