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    Well Katich should've been out lbw to Swann. Again, not a completely unforgiveable n\o decision, but the correct one would've been out.

    So 2-1 to England so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Well Katich should've been out lbw to Swann. Again, not a completely unforgiveable n\o decision, but the correct one would've been out.

    So 2-1 to England so far.
    Nah, Hawkeye got pissed at tea, obviously high imo from side on shot.

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    HawkEye doesn't get pissed, it's even more reliable than the side-on shot, from which I thought there was a modicum of a chance it was high.

    Clearly would've been given out if TV umpires could study the replay - and didn't have to overturn a n\o decision, obviously. As it is, Katich gets lucky and the game moves on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    HawkEye doesn't get pissed
    It's not infallible though. It has a very considerable margin of error which isn't admitted to by the TV graphics.


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    Looked dead in the water to me - obviously Burgey has the benefit of a special soap based product, denied to those of us in England, with which he washed his eyes out before watching the replay

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Looked dead in the water to me - obviously Burgey has the benefit of a special soap based product, denied to those of us in England, with which he washed his eyes out before watching the replay
    Eyes? Controversial use of the plural.

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    Well, tbf it's 2 am here and at my age things get foggy after two late nights in a row. Bit of a worry with Doctrove if he got it wrong - two in two days.

    Happy to concede if there's an error in our favour, but I genuinely thought it was close but arguably high when 1st saw it, and the side-on shot confirmed that to me.

    Will have another look at it when they show it again (and they will).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    HawkEye doesn't get pissed, it's even more reliable than the side-on shot, from which I thought there was a modicum of a chance it was high.

    Clearly would've been given out if TV umpires could study the replay - and didn't have to overturn a n\o decision, obviously. As it is, Katich gets lucky and the game moves on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    It's not infallible though. It has a very considerable margin of error which isn't admitted to by the TV graphics.
    All the same, I'd trust something that tries to predict over something that doesn't. HawkEye is, obviously, not infallible, but you didn't need HawkEye to see that that was pretty out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post


    Humour sends Xmas cards to Dicko and cheerfully waves at him, but he always fails to recognise it. Embarrassing for both parties.
    That's, obviously, wrong - you'd have to be fairly stupid, in truth, to think I didn't realise that was a joke \ piece of sarcasm - but naturally for some every opportunity must be taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Happy to concede if there's an error in our favour, but I genuinely thought it was close but arguably high when 1st saw it, and the side-on shot confirmed that to me.
    The side-on shot shows the ball hitting the back leg after it's hit the front leg - thus it seems far higher than it actually was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    It's not infallible though. It has a very considerable margin of error which isn't admitted to by the TV graphics.
    That's what I do not understand about HawkEye. It should be fairly easy to make a probability graph instead of a "point" estimate of the ball's trajectory. That would immediately kill off all the talk about HE's suspected margin of error and would show these tight lbw's for what they are. You could even use the old statistical cut-off of 95% likelihood to base your decisions on..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    It's not infallible though. It has a very considerable margin of error which isn't admitted to by the TV graphics.
    Source?

    Katich's was a mistake, because in hindsight it was out. But it didn't really look out. Of the three lbw mistakes, i think that's the one that I would have made too.
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