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Would you have upheld the appeal?

Would you have upheld the appeal?


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keeper

U19 Vice-Captain
Swapping sides with Murali coming on strike?
Or it was the last ball of the over? Either way he's moving out of position before the ball is dead. I honestly don't watch umpires enough to know if this is normal. He could argue that he is still in a position to make an square leg decisions but him moving does create the impression that the ball is dead. Linking all this stuff together I wonder if there appears to be a relaxed culture in pro cricket about wondering around before the ball is officially dead.

I wouldn't do what Bell or Murali did on a Saturday. Nor would I do what this ump does when I am umpiring (and I'm a square leg specialist!).
 

Spark

Global Moderator
I just look back on this debate and feel so justified in my stance that this sort of bull**** is simply not part of cricket. I cannot possibly see how debating tiny, minute little of umpiring decisions, player actions, gestures, timings, when the ball is dead etc. - which is what this sort of thing leads to - adds to the game of cricket, and this exactly why I wouldn't appeal for such a thing.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Because I'm a nerd, I looked back on the Murali dismissal and it was the first ball of Bond's over. So definitely not changing at end of over.

And I think Spark nailed it. Didn't feel out, therefore shouldn't be out.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
That Murali one. Was there any subsequent explanation as to why the umpire was moving so purposefully towards the wicket from square leg?
Presumably because Sangakkara is left handed, and he was swapping sides in anticipation of the right handed Murali coming on strike?
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I just look back on this debate and feel so justified in my stance that this sort of bull**** is simply not part of cricket. I cannot possibly see how debating tiny, minute little of umpiring decisions, player actions, gestures, timings, when the ball is dead etc. - which is what this sort of thing leads to - adds to the game of cricket, and this exactly why I wouldn't appeal for such a thing.
I feel your use of the hyphen after a full stop wholly unjustifiable. It's attention to detail like this that I feel needs consideration in the Spirit of the Forum.
 

Themer

U19 Cricketer
Because I'm a nerd, I looked back on the Murali dismissal and it was the first ball of Bond's over. So definitely not changing at end of over.
Not a very good nerd, you seem to have missed the point of why he was coming into the stumps,he was going to square leg as the batsmen on strike had just changed from left to right handed.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Not a very good nerd, you seem to have missed the point of why he was coming into the stumps,he was going to square leg as the batsmen on strike had just changed from left to right handed.
Read the previous page of this thread, then issue your humblest of apologies.

Just as I will for that wanton hyphen after a fullstop. Hedged my bets and came up shy, kind of like Bell I guess? Maybe Mr Speed will pardon me after his tea.
 

Uppercut

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I just look back on this debate and feel so justified in my stance that this sort of bull**** is simply not part of cricket. I cannot possibly see how debating tiny, minute little of umpiring decisions, player actions, gestures, timings, when the ball is dead etc. - which is what this sort of thing leads to - adds to the game of cricket, and this exactly why I wouldn't appeal for such a thing.
Exactly.

I had to rush out on the stroke of tea and, like everyone else, assumed that was the end of Bell. I wasn't blaming India, I thought they were pretty within their rights, but I was pretty concerned about the effect the incident would have on the series, on the forum and on cricket as a whole. The thing about cricket is, there are all kinds of opportunities to take a wicket through deception (not that this was an example of that) or on a technicality. There's an understanding that not everything needs to be set in stone, and in the long run it's better for the players, and the spectators, if that's the case. Although I didn't assign much blame to India personally, I couldn't have blamed the English if they'd reacted by trying to mankad every other delivery or snap the bails off before the umpire calls over. And then the next series would be the same. And the one after that. I'm not aware of anyone other than the bat****-crazy SS who actually wants the game to be played that way.

Judging from Dravid's interview after the match, the players understood this. They knew they had every right to claim the dismissal. It wouldn't have gone down too well in some quarters, but for my money, all of the blame should have been assigned to Ian Bell and none of it to the Indian team. They couldn't have been sure whether England would have rescinded the appeal or not in the same situation, which always makes it very, very difficult psychologically to cut your opponent some slack. But they did it anyway. And in doing so, they put the future of the game above themselves. To me, that just makes them legends. So, so much respect for the Indian cricket team right now.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Well said Uppers. I said I probably wouldn't have withdrawn the appeal, but that's because I probably wouldn't have had the nuts.
 

Stapel

International Regular
To relate it back to Bell, what if Bell wasn't out the last ball before tea..what if it was in the middle of a session? India wouldn't have had the chance to cool their jets and recall him. They didn't before tea, therefore you'd have to suggest in another timeframe Bell would've walked off and Prior would've been in. And then it might've been a bigger incident, and Dhoni would be the villain as opposed to the good guy.
It wouldn't have happened, if not for the last ball before tea. Bell jogged towards Morgan, to walk on, to the pavillion. Otherwise, he would have prepared to face the ball!
 

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gun post by Uppercut. Agree that only person to be blamed for the whole mess was Ian Bell (blamed not from a moral perspective, but for being careless). All others - Indian players, Umpires and English crowds did not do anything that they should feel bad about.
 
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Spark

Global Moderator
Exactly.

I had to rush out on the stroke of tea and, like everyone else, assumed that was the end of Bell. I wasn't blaming India, I thought they were pretty within their rights, but I was pretty concerned about the effect the incident would have on the series, on the forum and on cricket as a whole. The thing about cricket is, there are all kinds of opportunities to take a wicket through deception (not that this was an example of that) or on a technicality. There's an understanding that not everything needs to be set in stone, and in the long run it's better for the players, and the spectators, if that's the case. Although I didn't assign much blame to India personally, I couldn't have blamed the English if they'd reacted by trying to mankad every other delivery or snap the bails off before the umpire calls over. And then the next series would be the same. And the one after that. I'm not aware of anyone other than the bat****-crazy SS who actually wants the game to be played that way.

Judging from Dravid's interview after the match, the players understood this. They knew they had every right to claim the dismissal. It wouldn't have gone down too well in some quarters, but for my money, all of the blame should have been assigned to Ian Bell and none of it to the Indian team. They couldn't have been sure whether England would have rescinded the appeal or not in the same situation, which always makes it very, very difficult psychologically to cut your opponent some slack. But they did it anyway. And in doing so, they put the future of the game above themselves. To me, that just makes them legends. So, so much respect for the Indian cricket team right now.
Precisely. I'd have been disappointed if the decision had stood but they were completely within their rights to maintain the appeal. But I think it's absolutely brilliant that they didn't.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
It wouldn't have happened, if not for the last ball before tea. Bell jogged towards Morgan, to walk on, to the pavillion. Otherwise, he would have prepared to face the ball!
Bell didn't hit the 'boundary', Morgan did. Therefore Bell could well have jogged up to Morgan, said well played, had a chat, done some gardening etc presuming it was four.

I guess the hypothetical I'm throwing up is that people are praising Dhoni here, whereas in a situation like Collingwood in 08, he got (quite rightly) lambasted. But if Elliot's run-out had've been followed by a drinks break, or any sort of break, and there was time for discussion/intervention from the other team, maybe England would've reversed the decision. Maybe. Or maybe not.

Doesn't take away from the fact I fully applaud India's acts. Classy.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
To relate it back to Bell, what if Bell wasn't out the last ball before tea..what if it was in the middle of a session?
If it was the middle of the session absolutely nothing would've happened because Bell wouldn't have needed to walk off for tea.
 

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