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Whither County Cricket?

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Anyway very good article as always, the scheduling this season was horrific and something obviously needs to be done about it. Agree with most of it apart from Franchises; just hate that word so much. I don't actually think they are needed either, it needs to be shorter and in a part of the season where England players can feature on a regular basis.

A 40 or 50 over domestic competition with proper knockout rounds is a must, with a proper Lords final not played in the middle of September.
 

shivfan

Banned
I really, truly, don't see the point of playing domestic cricket in May and September....

Who in their right mind is going to sit in the stands to watch monkey cricket being played in that chilly weather?
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
I really, truly, don't see the point of playing domestic cricket in May and September....

Who in their right mind is going to sit in the stands to watch monkey cricket being played in that chilly weather?
The point is that it's vitally important to the prospects of the national team, and of getting some players in form. Sometimes you have to subsidise domestic cricket for the health of the game.

EDIT: more in reference to May cricket.
 
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fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Strauss has actually played in as many as 8 LVCC matches this season - he averages all of 30 without a century so its hardly surprising it has passed unnoticed
 

stumpski

International Captain
I really, truly, don't see the point of playing domestic cricket in May and September....

Who in their right mind is going to sit in the stands to watch monkey cricket being played in that chilly weather?
In my part of the country May was a good deal better than August for the most part. Just as well, as half the Championship programme had to be completed by the first week in June.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
**** change.. My county have just been shafted yet again, and remain one of two sides not to win a championship, but what a fantastic climax.. Why would you ever want to change something that is perfect anyway?
 

Stoggler

Cricket Spectator
Good article

I really don't fancy the prospect of franchises in domestic T20 matches. I like supporting my county and enjoy going to a few matches each year and loved being at the finals day this year, even if my county weren't there. Somehow, I don't think it would be the same for me to "support" some fake franchise with no tradition or cultural links with (or is that me just being typically English and being rooted in the past?).

As for the Championship, I think it's been good since the two divisions came in. I think a slightly larger first division would be good too, as mentioned in the article. But why not introduce a third and possibly a fourth division and so have relegation from the second division to allow minor counties with the ambition the chance to develop over time and to move up the divisions?
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Good article

I really don't fancy the prospect of franchises in domestic T20 matches. I like supporting my county and enjoy going to a few matches each year and loved being at the finals day this year, even if my county weren't there. Somehow, I don't think it would be the same for me to "support" some fake franchise with no tradition or cultural links with (or is that me just being typically English and being rooted in the past?).

As for the Championship, I think it's been good since the two divisions came in. I think a slightly larger first division would be good too, as mentioned in the article. But why not introduce a third and possibly a fourth division and so have relegation from the second division to allow minor counties with the ambition the chance to develop over time and to move up the divisions?
AWTA.
Sussex FTW.
Burger King Southampton BK Flamers GAGF.
 

stumpski

International Captain
For me the beginning of the end will be when they start reducing the Championship programme (three divisions, perhaps?) to make room for (even) more Twenty20s. Can see that being only two or three seasons away, unfortunately.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
I love how Somerset is now called just 'Somerset' in one day competitions.. I hope the same happens here.. I hate it when I ask people if they are going to watch Eastern Province play today, and get asked if that is the 'Warriors' or not.. Ridiculous..
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Good article

I really don't fancy the prospect of franchises in domestic T20 matches. I like supporting my county and enjoy going to a few matches each year and loved being at the finals day this year, even if my county weren't there. Somehow, I don't think it would be the same for me to "support" some fake franchise with no tradition or cultural links with (or is that me just being typically English and being rooted in the past?).

As for the Championship, I think it's been good since the two divisions came in. I think a slightly larger first division would be good too, as mentioned in the article. But why not introduce a third and possibly a fourth division and so have relegation from the second division to allow minor counties with the ambition the chance to develop over time and to move up the divisions?
It works in football.. In theory a non league team can aspire to really make a name for themselves.. Yeovil town AFAIK moved up about four divisions in a decade..
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
My real concern is with the Championship - it staggered along for over a century in a pretty mediocre state despite England players being regularly available and even latterly when, unlike now, a lot of the best players in the world played in it. Now, when it at last serves its purpose as a breeding ground for England internationals (the step up just doesn't seem to be what it was even a decade ago), and it starts gripping the public's imagination in a way it never has before, it comes under threat.

Four day cricket has helped as has two divisions but the main thing has been improvements in coaching and the fact that the journeyman county pro hanging on for his benefit has disappeared - they used to really clutter up the County game - they've gone because they've been rumbled mainly, I suspect, because of the greater demands for athleticism that one day cricket brought as it developed, and the way better coaching has improved the ability of young players to hold their own - and no doubt the mindset generally is radically different.

My trip to the Rose Bowl brought this home to me - the Hampshire side consisted of two decent and competitive old hands (Cork and McKenzie), four good established cricketers (Ervine, Lumb, Adams and Carberry) and five youngsters (Balcombe, Bates, Briggs, Tomlinson and Vince) - not a wasted place in the side - Lancashire were slightly different in that I think Chilton was the one old fashioned honest toiler on show (although in fairness he did average 50+ in '09) and we also had Horton and Croft who need to move on now from youngster to good cricketer, but what I do know is that if they don't they'll be shown the door rather than allowed to average in the high 20's/low 30's for another decade.

To contrast I just checked the scorecard of the Surrey/Lancs game I saw in 1983 - there were at least four in each team who wouldn't get close to a county XI these days.

I'd really rather the Championship wasn't touched at all but my suggestions were made on the assumption its going to have to be - I really don't want to see two divisions of 9 counties each just playing 8 matches a season hence perhaps enlarging the top division if each county is only to play the other once.

As for 40/50 over stuff it needs to be a knockout cup firstly because historically that's a great format (works for all sports) and secondly if its anything else it loses credibility - in the CB40 this season once Lancashire were out of it the teams they fielded were, to say the least, experimental, and that's not showing proper respect for the competition but, at the same time, is difficult to criticise.

And I don't like the idea of franchises either but to my mind T20 has two functions. The first is to bring money into the game and the second is to bring in new supporters who will in time embrace the First Class game - I have no doubt franchises will better achieve that than the counties - leave them to concentrate on maintaining the County Championship as the fantastic competition it has become
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
The way I'd hope the franchise model would work would be to give each County a stake in their local franchise - so that if such a league was financially successful, it wouldn't just be the Greggs Leeds Pastie Munchers taking home a wedge - Yorkshire and Durham CCCs would benefit as well.
 

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