Test Auction Draft (Stipulation Based)

[Line and Length]

I'm a little disappointed and confused regarding how this draft is conducted. Firstly I supposedly misread the stipulation for Round 1 which read:
"Choose a player who has scored two centuries in the same test OR picked two 5-wicket hauls in the same test BUT still ended up on the losing side." The OR, to my way of thinking, separates two distinct criteria. However, I accepted the ruling and then re-submitted my bids.

Like ankitj, I thought that the winning bids would be decided by looking at all first choices before moving onto second choices. Hence I was disappointed to find that my second choice bid was overtaken by a third choice.

Finally, having put bids in for batsmen , I was offered a penalty pick of 2 over-priced spinners. I assumed the replacements would be like-for-like and, had this been the case, an inflated penalty price for batsmen would have been understandable. However offering second tier players at prices exceeding successful bids for ATGs is too harsh. How can a price tag on Jimmy Adams exceed the prices paid for Gavaska, Lara or Sutcliffe? How can Hemmings cost almost 3 times the price of Walcott or (if we're looking at bowlers which I wasn't) more than Barnes?

 

[JOJOXI]

Probably not helped by you not being in last game I presume but think the reasoning would be too discourage low bids. What's to stop someone bidding $1 each for Murali, Sutcliffe and Headley if they know worst case scenario they get an inferior player at a comparable price but best case scenario they get an ATG for free effectively.

Main reason I bid so high for Lara - but I did have the advantage of being in the ODI version of this draft.

As an aside - Ah annoyed at myself, used the wrong wiki article - the reason I only went for batsman was because I accidentally looked at bowlers who had picked 2 five wicket-hauls in the same test but still ended up on the losing side ON DEBUT

I did think to myself the options of bowlers available were restrictive lol

 

[anil1405]

I'm a little disappointed and confused regarding how this draft is conducted. Firstly I supposedly misread the stipulation for Round 1 which read:
"Choose a player who has scored two centuries in the same test OR picked two 5-wicket hauls in the same test BUT still ended up on the losing side." The OR, to my way of thinking, separates two distinct criteria. However, I accepted the ruling and then re-submitted my bids.

Like ankitj, I thought that the winning bids would be decided by looking at all first choices before moving onto second choices. Hence I was disappointed to find that my second choice bid was overtaken by a third choice.

Finally, having put bids in for batsmen , I was offered a penalty pick of 2 over-priced spinners. I assumed the replacements would be like-for-like and, had this been the case, an inflated penalty price for batsmen would have been understandable. However offering second tier players at prices exceeding successful bids for ATGs is too harsh. How can a price tag on Jimmy Adams exceed the prices paid for Gavaska, Lara or Sutcliffe? How can Hemmings cost almost 3 times the price of Walcott or (if we're looking at bowlers which I wasn't) more than Barnes?

Hey LL. Apologies for confusion in the rules. I am clarifying this for everyone now.

- Order of priority was introduced ONLY to give drafters more flexibility. For example, say someone had bid $170 for Warne, $160 for Murali and $1 for Walsh and he won a bid for Warne while later on had he realised, if he got Walsh for $1 he could have used that $169 spare budget elsewhere on a quality/more valuable player in a different round. Because there will be people who believe Walsh for $1 is way more valuable than Warne for $170 in auction drafts. So such drafters could give their order of priority as Walsh $1, Warne $170 or Murali $160.
- But ultimately while assigning the player to a drafter I would look at the highest bidder for that particular player be it second preference of one drafter vs 3rd preference of another drafter. Because, end of day, this is an auction ($$$) draft.

Penalty players will be chosen randomly by me at a price that I decide because I am giving you the flexibility to give three options to pick a player. And if you can't pick a player after that it means you need to be more careful in the upcoming rounds and choose wisely while paying the price for it in this round. This is how I ran the ODI draft too. I see Adams as a batsman who averages 40+ first and then as a spinner so you might have got an additional bowling option had you opted for him.

Regarding the first round question, I tought it was straightforward and everyone else had sent me players who met that criteria.

 

[anil1405]

As an aside - Ah annoyed at myself, used the wrong wiki article - the reason I only went for batsman was because I accidentally looked at bowlers who had picked 2 five wicket-hauls in the same test but still ended up on the losing side ON DEBUT

I did think to myself the options of bowlers available were restrictive lol

Unfortunately I couldn't find a straightforward link for bowlers who have taken two 5-fer's in the same test. I knew Saqlain took one against India but ended up on losing side and Murali surely would have encountered that in his career where he took 67 5-fer's and played for SL, who struggled when they toured abroad. There were more options when I dug in to check individually on few bowlers and I realised it was a good question to post considering the amount of ATG +ATVG players who were in the pool for the question I posted in Round 1.

 

[trundler]

I went to the best figures in a loss Cricinfo page and just checked the best individuals

 

[JOJOXI]

Unfortunately I couldn't find a straightforward link for bowlers who have taken two 5-fer's in the same test. I knew Saqlain took one against India but ended up on losing side and Murali surely would have encountered that in his career where he took 67 5-fer's and played for SL, who struggled when they toured abroad. There were more options when I dug in to check individually on few bowlers and I realised it was a good question to post considering the amount of ATG +ATVG players who were in the pool for the question I posted in Round 1.

Yeah no worries, think was just a tad tired at the time of checking so misread on wiki and used a link that only applied to double 5 wicket hauls on debuts and then sorted it by match results - Ken Farnes and Sydney Burke didn't really appeal to me its fair to say! But yeah if I was thinking clearly I should have figured Murali got at least 1!

 

[ankitj]

I went to the best figures in a loss Cricinfo page and just checked the best individuals

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[anil1405]

Here's another rule to avoid confusion going forward.

From second round I will assign the price for penalty players by taking the average of highest bids made by each drafter and the average of second highest bids made by each drafter in that round. That way I can maintain an accountable consistency.

So in the latter rounds if you have limited budget you might want to bid even more wisely. Because if you do not have enough cash for your penalty player you will end up not having 12 or even 11 players in your side. So the risk of finishing with a full 11 or 12 players is on you.

 

[Himannv]

I think it’s fine to give L&L a penalty player with an average cost if it means he pays a bit less. Otherwise he’s the only one negatively affected.

 

[anil1405]

I think it’s fine to give L&L a penalty player with an average cost if it means he pays a bit less. Otherwise he’s the only one negatively affected.

Checked it. The highest average bid is 116 while the second highest average bid is 89.

So @Line and Length can have Jimmy Adams for 116 if he wishes to or Hemmings for the price I mentioned earlier i.e. 80.

 

[anil1405]

@Himannv and @honestbharani to finish off this round.

 

[honestbharani]

m stuck at work.. will need a few hours.

 

[Himannv]

Totally missed the question. Will need some time for research.

 

[Line and Length]

Thanks for the clarifications but I am still very disappointed re the penalty players. I was picking from the first stipulation group (batsmen with centuries in both innings in a losing cause) and note there were 5 players in this category who attracted no bids. I would have happily accepted one of those at the highest bid price for such a category. As it stands, I have Hemmings and little or no chance of winning with such an inclusion. The alternative (Adams) is only marginally better IMO.

 

[ataraxia]

Thanks for the clarifications but I am still very disappointed re the penalty players. I was picking from the first stipulation group (batsmen with centuries in both innings in a losing cause) and note there were 5 players in this category who attracted no bids. I would have happily accepted one of those at the highest bid price for such a category. As it stands, I have Hemmings and little or no chance of winning with such an inclusion. The alternative (Adams) is only marginally better IMO.

Adams is a batsman. The penalty picks are intentionally restrictive and are probably kinder here than in the ODI draft, I don't see a problem.

 

[Line and Length]

@anil1405 and fellow drafters. My ignorance of the rules pertaining to this type of draft has left me in an unfortunate position. Without wishing to appear to be throwing my toys out of the pram, I think it would be better if I left this draft to those who know what they are doing. I had already submitted my bids for Round 2 (probably terribly inadequate) and will keep playing in the unlikely event of one being successful. If continuing, I would like to accept the offer of Adams instead of Hemmings.

My apologies for my complaining and I thank anil for his work and wish him and the remaining competitors all the best for the remainder of this game. If withdrawing I will continue to watch proceedings in the hope of learning more about this type of draft.
Thanks for your tolerance and my apologies for any inconveniences.

 

[anil1405]

@anil1405 and fellow drafters. My ignorance of the rules pertaining to this type of draft has left me in an unfortunate position. Without wishing to appear to be throwing my toys out of the pram, I think it would be better if I left this draft to those who know what they are doing. I had already submitted my bids for Round 2 (probably terribly inadequate) and will keep playing in the unlikely event of one being successful. If continuing, I would like to accept the offer of Adams instead of Hemmings.

My apologies for my complaining and I thank anil for his work and wish him and the remaining competitors all the best for the remainder of this game. If withdrawing I will continue to watch proceedings in the hope of learning more about this type of draft.
Thanks for your tolerance and my apologies for any inconveniences.

With one drafter left to send his picks, I can assure you that you are getting one of the players you sent me.

Now that you understood most of the rules I just want to reiterate that penalty picks will be harsh for everyone as a penalty (obviously) for not being wise enough (or being greedy) with their bids in pursuit of top players.

 

[Line and Length]

With one drafter left to send his picks, I can assure you that you are getting one of the players you sent me.

Now that you understood most of the rules I just want to reiterate that penalty picks will be harsh for everyone as a penalty (obviously) for not being wise enough (or being greedy) with their bids in pursuit of top players.

Thanks anil. I will blunder on, learning as I go. BTW - do I now have Adams at the cost indicated? If so, thanks.

 

[anil1405]

Thanks anil. I will blunder on, learning as I go. BTW - do I now have Adams at the cost indicated? If so, thanks.

Yes you can have Adams for 116 or Hemmings for 80. Presuming you want the former I will change it in my sheet now.

 

[Line and Length]

Yes you can have Adams for 116 or Hemmings for 80. Presuming you want the former I will change it in my sheet now.

Yes. I'll have Adams thank you.