T2M2 Draft

[mr_mister]

I like the big drafts. The 17 man one we had just recently was one of the most fun I've had playing

It actually allows for huge gaps in quality between teams by the end, small drafts dont.

But im all for 4hr time outs

 

[Fuller Pilch]

It could be run like Aussie Tragic's ATVG draft. No draft orders, must wait at least 24 hours before each pick. That was really easy to follow in a big draft and moved quickly.

 

[mr_mister]

Or we could

It could be run like Aussie Tragic's ATVG draft. No draft orders, must wait at least 24 hours before each pick. That was really easy to follow in a big draft and moved quickly.

That could be good too.. If we start implementing it at the beginning of round 3 though, not 2

 

[Teuton]

Or....

Some one else starts a new draft then we have 2 running and hence more picks, shorter waits and another winner.

 

[mr_mister]

....6hr time outs?

 

[Line and Length]

My 12 or 13 figure was based on Stephen noting there were 27 picks before it was his turn. A 9/9 split would definitely work.

 

[Teuton]

It could be run like Aussie Tragic's ATVG draft. No draft orders, must wait at least 24 hours before each pick. That was really easy to follow in a big draft and moved quickly.

The only issue with that is that i made the total games a determining factor and I wanted to keep it, so that a higher price had to be paid for Procter & Richards who give a massive advantage imho.

 

[mr_mister]

My 12 or 13 figure was based on Stephen noting there were 27 picks before it was his turn. A 9/9 split would definitely work.

Would we all picking from the same pool of players still? Ie if Murali went in one group of 9 hed be off the table for the other group

Would we still compare all teams at the end?

If its just for speeding up the draft process then i like the idea

But if its because we want to keep more ATGs for everyone i dislike it

 

[Line and Length]

My idea is that there are two separate drafts, independent of each other. Thus those picked in Draft I would still be available to those in Draft II. It would certainly make comparison of teams interesting.

 

[Teuton]

hmm, trying to get my head around how it works.

2 pick orders, but only 1 player pool would be my preference.

it's less of a div 1/2 split, but it would speed up the process since 2 ppl would be on the clock at all times

 

[Teuton]

or maybe even just always having the next 2 ppl on the clock would do the job, without an arbitrary split

 

[Teuton]

No change to rules yet (or until R2), but i'm liking the simplicity of my last idea the more i think about it.
Next 3 picks:

himannv

StephenZA

anil1405

 

[stephen]

The thing is with 18 players your first three picked basically determine how good your team can possibly be. Especially in a draft like this when some bands of players have very limited numbers. It's conceivable that the entire list of great players from three or four bands will be entirely gone by the time someone gets their second pick. It makes the draft a lot more random and makes it take a lot longer. Yeah, it means more ATG players are available (which is fun in and of itself for some players) but it also means that your team isn't defined entirely by your first couple of picks. If players are filling their middle orders with players averaging 45 then it's really only the two players they managed to grab who averaged 50+ that dominate the team.

For example, if your batting lineup is Hobbs, Gavaskar and then 4 batsmen who average 45, people aren't really going to care about the middle order, they're going to judge your team on those two players. It wouldn't matter if you picked Mark Waugh or Martyn to bat 4 for that side - neither player is good enough to change the opinion of the side like the two openers.

The more players you have the more likely it is that someone gets Marshall and another gets McDermott through no fault of their own.

 

[JOJOXI]

I think the setup allows for competitive sides because if you go for say a Barry Richards/Mike Proctor like we have it means we have effectively sacrificed a poor position in 2nd round and probably future rounds and whilst there is a relatively high benefit - I couldn't find many players outside Richards/Proctor in the 1-9 band I'd want in my side, the risk is in future rounds I might see many picks I want go one by one due to my bad position in future rounds. Having a look I think (unsurprisingly) there is a correlation between the lower Test cap bands equalling lower depth in quality of players in those bands.

A smaller draft arguably eliminates a lot of this risk as you can be 1st pick, pick Richards/Proctor and know you'll only have to wait for (at most) 16 other picks in a 9 team draft compared to a maximum of 34 picks in an 18 team draft (both examples presuming you are the first person to pick and your pick leaves you as the last person to pick in Round 2.) In such a draft the only position we don't have an influence in is on the opening round and you could argue even then there is the possibility those later in Round 1 will be 'forced' into higher capped picks if the standout lower capped picks are taken and as a result benefit from earlier picks in later rounds. Although that somewhat cancels out not having a Proctor/Richards in my view. After Round 1 its unlikely you'll have as dramatic a swing from 3rd in one round to potentially last in next either so presuming its roughly 17 other picks between your picks from Round 2 onwards you'd be surprised if more than half of those were for specialist fast bowlers - it certainly would be nice to have Marshall but you'd still end up with an ATG seamer at the end of the round if Marshall was available at the start of it.

Although that doesn't answer point about draft taking longer, I quite like Teuton's idea of 2 people on the clock at the same time if a solution is sought.

 

[mr_mister]

Stephen by getting a good 1-9 player youve missed the chance at a good 10-19 player(probably) so it evens out

There's plenty of chance to make clutch late picks. I've played a lot of drafts and I've noticed with small player involvement and every team being choc full of ATGs you can throw a blanket over the best 6 teams and the vote feels like a crapshoot

I agree drafts going quicker would be good though

 

[trundler]

Tldr please

 

[mr_mister]

In the 17 man ascending averages draft Teuton didnt look like the early favourite but picked well in the mid to late game to win

 

[honestbharani]

I like the 4 hour rule.. If someone has to go to sleep or something, its unfortunate but you can always catch up once you wake up.

 

[Himannv]

Sorry haven't read all that. Assuming I can still pick?

It's Imran Khan.

 

[Himannv]

@StephenZA