Praveen Kumar - Respect

[Cruxdude]

Also I am pretty sure age fudging is very common in Indian cricket too. Read an article about the same issue some time earlier.

The Uttar Pradesh left-hand batsman Tanmay Srivastava seems to have played in under-14 for his State when he was 10-years-old! And played five years for the under-19 when the maximum limit as per the board is four years.

Another player of the team, Sourabh Tiwary of Jharkhand played the first under-14 game for his State when he was 11 and didn’t play the under-17 for the state. Ravindra Jadeja of Saurashtra played two World Cup tournaments and Piyush Chawla did what no teenager in this country has done.

In 2002 Chawla went on the tour of Sri Lanka with the under-17 in early October, returned soon to play under-19 for U.P. and within seven weeks was playing for the India under-15 in the Asia Cup.

So in a span of three months he played all three tournaments — under-17, under-19 and under-15. Then there is the case of Ali Murtuza who played for Uttar Pradesh under-22 when he wasn’t even 14!

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[Hurricane]

Maybe they didn't understand the question when someone asked them how old they were.

 

[Daemon]

I thought they do bone tests and stuff..

 

[Flem274*]

Medium pace swing bowler. I'm a fan.

 

[Howe_zat]

Thought the English batsmen were doing pretty well to cope with him, and despite that he picked up 5 wickets. If he can do this against England he can pretty much do it against any team on his day.

Now the only thing that remains is how he copes on flat decks, where hopefully his FC experience will come into play.

This was a pretty flat deck. Lord's is all about changing cloud cover.

 

[Uppercut]

This was a pretty flat deck. Lord's is all about changing cloud cover.

Indeed.

Actually what he needs to prove now is that he can run through sides when conditions are heavily in his favour. He bowled like an absolute trooper yesterday but it only amounted to damage limitation, whereas on day one he had the chance to seize control of the game and series for India and didn't take it.

People have short memories when it comes to bowlers of his pace. If he looks ineffective for a couple of innings in a row the usual "not enough pace for this level" criticism won't take long to crop up again.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

It was unusual to see it swinging so much on Day 2 despite the clear weather. If it swings like that today England could make inroads. PK has certainly shut a few people up though who should know better.

 

[centurymaker]

praveen generates swing in all conditions tbf- thats why he's in the team

 

[Howe_zat]

Indeed.

Actually what he needs to prove now is that he can run through sides when conditions are heavily in his favour. He bowled like an absolute trooper yesterday but it only amounted to damage limitation, whereas on day one he had the chance to seize control of the game and series for India and didn't take it.

People have short memories when it comes to bowlers of his pace. If he looks ineffective for a couple of innings in a row the usual "not enough pace for this level" criticism won't take long to crop up again.

Yup, bang on.

 

[Jono]

Yeah, swinging the ball in conditions without cloud cover has never been an issue with Praveen. If he couldn't swing the ball when its not generally favourable for swing bowling he wouldn't have the first class record he currently has.

I agree that its not what he does on flat tracks that will determine how good he is, he is accurate enough not to get belted and he will always make the ball nibble (as he did in WI). It's what he does when the team needs him to take wickets when he's got the batsman are up against tough swinging conditions. Good call by Uppercut

 

[Neil Pickup]

Wonderful bowling by him. Without him India would have been staring at a much more massive total. Would be interesting to see him bowl in India considering the lesser swing available.

Also don't understand why Dhoni either has to be up to the stumps or right back for PK. Surely coming up a couple of steps would do good.

As long as the ball's carrying to Dhoni at the top of the bounce (and I've not really watched much of the test so far to comment) then why would he want to come forward? That's just cutting his reaction time when there's a wide/shooter/edge/deflection. There's no point in being anywhere other than up or back as you end up in no man's land.

Also, no one ever believes I'm 25, so sympathies with PK there.

 

[BoyBrumby]

As long as the ball's carrying to Dhoni at the top of the bounce (and I've not really watched much of the test so far to comment) then why would he want to come forward? That's just cutting his reaction time when there's a wide/shooter/edge/deflection. There's no point in being anywhere other than up or back as you end up in no man's land.

Also, no one ever believes I'm 25, so sympathies with PK there.

Hard to say from what I've seen. Dhoni's been sub-woeful with the gloves so far, with his foot movement particularly poor, so he's taken quite a few balls around his ankles (when he hasn't missed them) and generally looked a step or two too far back.

 

[vic_orthdox]

There were doubts raise in some quarters about Piyush Chawla,Munaf and VRV Singh too.Nothing proved though. Actually i believe age test is compulsory at U19 level these days.

Had a player from Chawla's U/19 WC side tell us that he was overage and that the captain was as well. The age tests that were used in that WC would only provide a rough estimate, a range, of ages the person was.

 

[Bun]

I won't be too miffed with Dhoni, except that he did stand a few yards back. He took whatever came his way save for the one off Pietersen which must be said was for the slipper.

Keeping for 130-140 overs and bowling a good spell of bowling. And captaining. Damn a day he/s had. Herculean effort from him. He still took took whatever came his way as well!

 

[Howe_zat]

He's currently playing one of the greatest innings I've ever seen.

 

[Ikki]

Remember when he was down in Australia a while ago and he was just hooping the balls. Knew then he was a fairly talented bowler. Surprised they didn't try him earlier.

 

[Spark]

He's currently playing one of the greatest innings I've ever seen.

Haha it was awesome

 

[chanbara]

What a legend this guy is. I know people will bang on about the lack of pace, but I get the feeling that he understands his limitations, if he was to try and crank up his pace I'm not sure whether he'd have the same control and guile. That is his biggest strength, keeping it simple and having the grit to keep going.

He seems like a sound guy off the pitch as well.

 

[Jono]

He seems like a sound guy off the pitch as well.

Not so sure about that:

Praveen Kumar assaults doctor, apologises

 

[Burgey]

The competitiveness of Kumar and Khan bowling at comparatively low revs gives the lie to those who try to downplay the achievements of Bradman in other threads on the basis the bowlers in that era were allegedly so terribly slow.