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Okay the low scores worry me

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
Slow and low pitches make it very difficult to attack. Edges don't carry. The batsmen have time to adjust when they've misjudged the delivery. The batsmen can't time their shots. Fast bowlers bend their back and get absolutely nothing from the pitch.

So you've got spinners who've no good length because batsmen can play back. The ball does grip and turn (that's the nature of these pitches, the ball grips so much it loses pace off the pitch) but it's too slow as I say with there being no good length and batsmen being able to play back so much you have to dart it in to beat the bat ie bowl quicker cutters or darts.

The pitch basically nullifies all bowling threat, except for medium pacers or darters. But it nullifies quality stroke-play the ball isn't timed.

So you get a bit of a stalemate and your slogger types become more important because a) you need power to get the ball off the square and b) you don't really need batting technique because it's easy to survive. Allied with the mediums and darters and you've got the reasons why slow and low pitches negate quality and produce poor spectacles.
Good Bowlers bend their back and can still get a lot out of the pitch. Same thing goes with spin bowling. If you have variety you can threaten any batsman with deception and variety. To me, you just have to have the tools to tackle any situation. That is international cricket to me. Only the domestic boys complain about this type of stuff. You play int'l level cricket, well train to deal with all conditions.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Good Bowlers bend their back and can still get a lot out of the pitch. Same thing goes with spin bowling. If you have variety you can threaten any batsman with deception and variety. To me, you just have to have the tools to tackle any situation. That is international cricket to me. Only the domestic boys complain about this type of stuff. You play int'l level cricket, well train to deal with all conditions.
Watch a few games and you'll soon think otherwise.

I watched a lot of horlicks of the 50 over World Cup in the West Indies. It was turgid garbage for the most part because of these sorts of pitches.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
Good Bowlers bend their back and can still get a lot out of the pitch. Same thing goes with spin bowling. If you have variety you can threaten any batsman with deception and variety. To me, you just have to have the tools to tackle any situation. That is international cricket to me. Only the domestic boys complain about this type of stuff. You play int'l level cricket, well train to deal with all conditions.
Dont think it has anything to do with the players, good players will adapt. The point is that T20 was created with the intention that it would be a game where bat dominates ball and we see plenty of sixes. Whether you and I like it or not is irrelevant, the bottom line is that thats what attracts large crowds. As things stand for the moment, this is a poor advertisement for the game.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
I wouldn't call the thriller just ended (SL vs NZ) a boring game, even though, relatively, it had a lower amount of the so called bat dominating the ball.

In any case, i would enjoy it irrespective of the pitches. Both team play on the same pitch. As long as its not way too below standard.
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
The NZ vs Srilanka match was great.

It become monotonous and bowing to see slam bam hitting all the time ,even in t20 cricket .So a bit variation in the pitch is welcome ,specially if there is not a distinct advantage with the toss.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
The NZ vs Srilanka match was great.

It become monotonous and bowing to see slam bam hitting all the time ,even in t20 cricket .So a bit variation in the pitch is welcome ,specially if there is not a distinct advantage with the toss.
Right on. Fair play is what makes the game better. Pitch conditions remain more or less the same in T20s for both teams. So, read the pitch and equip yourself with those who are specialists to bowl/bat on those pitches.
 

James

Cricket Web Owner
Is one option playing T20 matches on artificial pitches? Let's be honest, most fans go to T20 matches wanting to see big hits and lots of runs. Not low scores.

I personally don't mind at all however and think the warm-ups games looked close and very interesting, but think perhaps artificial pitches would be popular with a lot of people.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
I didn't get to see the NZ-SL match but it sounds like pretty top viewing. I like an even contest between bat and ball and prefer matches where 140-160 is par instead of 170-190. Love it having a bit in it for the bowler, but obviously too much for the bowler is as bad as a total road.
 

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These (or at least the ones we've seen in the Carribean of late - I'm not going to judge the pitches for this tournament until I've seen them) aren't really bowler-friendly though; they're just batsman-unfriendly. They don't make it easier to bowl genuinely wicket-taking balls; they just make it a lot harder for natural strokeplay. That's not a good thing.
Yep, spot on. They don't enhance, only hamper. They make batting hard but give the bowlers nothing too.

The two first games were fairly low scoring; when a batting line-up like the WI can only score 130-odd against Ireland......
 
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AaronK

State Regular
I have a feeling that this world cup may not be as entertaining as the two previous once..

the pitches are going to be the main reason for this diseaster..

I wonder why tournments like this doesn't take place in places like Aus.. they always make quality pitches there..
 

maxtop123

Cricket Spectator
Get a grip and stop the griping. West Indies does not have ONE set of pitches regardless of the fact that many are slow. These matches were played in Guyana at the Providence stadium and the pitches in Guyana have ALWAYS been low and slow and that was BEFORE this stadium. Just the nature of Guyana surfaces.

Barbados tends to either be flat or has pace and bounce but no real lateral movement (see Australia in WI 2003 for the former or England in WI (2009) for the latter. Of course sometimes it hasma little something in it for the bowlers early on and flattens out later( see Australia in West Indies 2008).

Can't remember if tere are mathces in St Lucia but Beausejour is simply a good batting surface so there will actually be diffent conditions in spite of the fact that most of the pitches are now slow.

Besides the NZ/SL matc hwas quite exciting. It does not take sixes or high scoring for T20 to be fun. Sorry, that can get monotonous. At least the bowlers are no longer cannon fodder.

And Ireland's bowling isn't all that poor. Their spin bowling department is quite useful. Guyana is unlikely to be a high scoring venue due to its very nature.

If scores are low in Barbados it will be because batsmen have lost the art of batting when there is the slightest hint of movement which they have due to the dead pitches everywhere.
 

GraemeSmith

School Boy/Girl Captain
I wonder why tournments like this doesn't take place in places like Aus.. they always make quality pitches there..
Aus might have good pitches but their grounds are too big. I don't wanna see t20 world cup played in Australia or atleast not on the grounds that are usually used. What's the point of watching a t20 tournament where only a few power hitters like Pollard can hit sixes frequently? That being said the pitches in WI do indeed sound terrible, seems like 130-140 is a par score which is a shame... esp coming after the IPL where a score 170-175 was par for most of the tournament, this world cup is going to feel anti-climatic if we don't see some explosive batting.
 

Jayzamann

International Regular
Square boundaries at Adelaide Oval would beg to differ there.

Australia hasn't had an international tourney since 1992, and we still have to wait another 6 years to get one.
 

social

Hall of Fame Member
Aus might have good pitches but their grounds are too big. I don't wanna see t20 world cup played in Australia or atleast not on the grounds that are usually used. What's the point of watching a t20 tournament where only a few power hitters like Pollard can hit sixes frequently? That being said the pitches in WI do indeed sound terrible, seems like 130-140 is a par score which is a shame... esp coming after the IPL where a score 170-175 was par for most of the tournament, this world cup is going to feel anti-climatic if we don't see some explosive batting.
Boundaries for recent T20 at SCG were brought in by up to 14 metres so size of ground is irrelevant

It comes down to the window of availability for tourney (it's winter in Oz so grounds arent available and no-one would care if they were as we'd be at the footy) and politics
 

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Transport costs too. Only way to get around OZ in an expedient fashion is by plane.
 

GGG

State Captain
Its purely the time zone, if aussie started matches at 2am to please the Indian broadcasters then more world cup fixtures would be played in Aussie and NZ.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Nothing wrong with the pitch today. Good for batting, and if you bowled well, good for bowling as well.

Bowled crap though and you'd go the distance, as you should in T20.
 

Himannv

Cricketer Of The Year
Personally I like these pitches. Something in it for the bowlers as well if they're smart about their approach. Better than tossing a coin on a road.
 

Sir Alex

Banned
Its purely the time zone, if aussie started matches at 2am to please the Indian broadcasters then more world cup fixtures would be played in Aussie and NZ.
Curious considering we already have had 2 World Cups in the much more inconvenient time zone in Windies.

Also, matches held in NZ/Aus time zones are way better to follow. :)

The worst for us are daynight one days and T20s in Windies. Also night t20s in UK too. Day night matches in Oceania are like day games.
 
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Furball

Evil Scotsman
What time were IPL games starting in Mumbai?

West Indies isn't terrible for the UK. Subcontinent games which are D/N are probably best for UK viewers.
 

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