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Jonathan Trott

Son Of Coco

Hall of Fame Member
Strange thing for Ponting to say, really. Replacing a bloke who hasn't made a score in 4 tests seems less desperation than common sense to me. Especially as the replacement is averaging nigh on 100 an innings for the season.

Bringing back Ramps would've looked more like desperation, although I still reckon he'd have scored more than Bell or Collingwood had he played.
Ponting would have just been saying that to try and put some pressure on Trott I'd imagine, I don't think there's any need to read to much into it.

Zaremba seems to overreact every time Ponting's quoted in the papers. Trott's done well and good luck to him. For mine he was always going to be a better choice than Bopara and Ramprakash regardless of what happened in this test. The selectors picking him when he was in form was a positive move.
 

Son Of Coco

Hall of Fame Member
Good job by Trott yesterday, I didn't see his innings bar a couple of shots here or there but he must have batted well.
 

Redbacks

International Captain
Ponting would have just been saying that to try and put some pressure on Trott I'd imagine, I don't think there's any need to read to much into it.

Zaremba seems to overreact every time Ponting's quoted in the papers. Trott's done well and good luck to him. For mine he was always going to be a better choice than Bopara and Ramprakash regardless of what happened in this test. The selectors picking him when he was in form was a positive move.
Evidence suggests that as he was not developed in England, he was likely to be a superior player to Bopara and Ramps. Tougher criteria for making it as a youngster and a better development system.
 
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Briony

International Debutant
He sounded very South African when interviewed the other night. By saying it was the realisation of a boyhood dream proves that people aspire to play test cricket, not for their countries.
 

Redbacks

International Captain
He sounded very South African when interviewed the other night. By saying it was the realisation of a boyhood dream proves that people aspire to play test cricket, not for their countries.
Micky Authur said in a cricinfo webcast that he felt Trott had the potential to play for RSA but maybe not for another few years. Good in any case to see players wanting to play test cricket rather than become a mickey mouse specialist.
 
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Langeveldt

Soutie
Micky Authur said in a cricinfo webcast that he felt Trott had the potential to play for RSA but maybe not for another few years. Good in any case to see players wanting to play test cricket rather than become a mickey mouse specialist.
SA would love to have him back, but at this moment in time he probably wouldn't get a game.. Possibly for Amla though
 

Lillian Thomson

International Coach
Micky Authur said in a cricinfo webcast that he felt Trott had the potential to play for RSA but maybe not for another few years. Good in any case to see players wanting to play test cricket rather than become a mickey mouse specialist.

Considering he's already 28 it's rather potty to be talking about his potential in a few years.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
SA would love to have him back, but at this moment in time he probably wouldn't get a game.. Possibly for Amla though
Was thinking whether he'd get a gig for SA. Maybe ahead of Prince or Amla, but in the current selectorial climate he'd probably be competing with the white players only (not saying that's right, but it's the realpolitik of the situation) and I'd have to have Smith, Kallis & de Villiers in front of him.

Plus now it'd be 4 years til he could turn out for SA anyway.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Isn't Trott now ineligible for your Saffies as he's played a Test for us?
For 4 years, yeah. Once you play for a national team at any level from U-19 up you're committed for the next 48 months at least.

It's why Tahir wasn't eligible for the yarps as soon as he got his passport, he'd played for Pakistan A in 2005, so had to wait until April this year to become available for SA.

EDIT: Actually, Trott was already committed to us because he'd played those 2020 internationals a couple of years back.
 
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Langeveldt

Soutie
Isn't Trott now ineligible for your Saffies as he's played a Test for us?
Nope, Kepler Wessels played for two countries.. Trott won't play for SA, although I was half hoping Pietersen might one day after his fallout with the ECB, and judging by the fact that whenever he isn't playing for England he seems to be in Durban..
 

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With Trott playing the role which effectively Collingwood is in the team for much more effectively than Collingwood himself, one has to wonder how long Collingwood can last in the team, as Trott is now clearly undroppable, and rightfully so. Bell is unlikely to be dropped either, rightly or wrongly, and that leaves very little space for poor old Colly once Pietersen is fit, which fortunately for him won't be for a while, so he will probably get the chance to play himself back into contention. If he is not in the side by this time next year, I would not be surprised.
I know you don't find Collingwood convincing, but he's definitely better than Bell. He's not the best player in the world but I don't think England have the alternatives to drop him.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
I know you don't find Collingwood convincing, but he's definitely better than Bell. He's not the best player in the world but I don't think England have the alternatives to drop him.
Bell is 6 years younger and is arguably at present only a little worse than Collingwood with age on his side he could end up a lot better if he gets his game together.

The question one has to ask is, is it time to build a side, or as Vaughan put it an 'empire', or is it time to pick the best side to tour SA. If Collingwood is picked, it wouldn't be the worst decision, but if he's not I would be more impressed because it suggests that the selectors have put the focus on the future. Ideally, I'd like to see him replaced by someone who isn't Bell but theres not very many options here. Perhaps Joyce would make more sense?
 

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