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Boxing thread
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Zhang is a bit like Ruiz. Front foot counter puncher. Just way more size and power, but possibly even less stamina.
Whatever you think of the current heavyweight it's a pretty fun group of fighters.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
I have just watched the Parker-Wilder fight.
I'm sorry but any fighter with a decent upper cut or even just a second phase of attack should have been able to stop what Parker was doing there.
I don't know whether to blame Wilder's corner or Wilder himself, but the idea that he couldn't recognise and adjust to a relatively simple gameplan over 12 rounds is mind-boggling for a professional boxer.
AJ would have recognised that.
Zhang would have recongised that and detonated on him.
Ruiz for sure would have countered that.
Hrgovic, Dubois et al all would have been able to adjust.
I know he'd come in with a different gameplan against those guys but gee...that was bad from Wilder.
I'm sorry but any fighter with a decent upper cut or even just a second phase of attack should have been able to stop what Parker was doing there.
I don't know whether to blame Wilder's corner or Wilder himself, but the idea that he couldn't recognise and adjust to a relatively simple gameplan over 12 rounds is mind-boggling for a professional boxer.
AJ would have recognised that.
Zhang would have recongised that and detonated on him.
Ruiz for sure would have countered that.
Hrgovic, Dubois et al all would have been able to adjust.
I know he'd come in with a different gameplan against those guys but gee...that was bad from Wilder.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Wilder's power is definitely unusual. Even post Fury trilogy he still had the power to knock Helenius out cold with one glancing right hand. One punch man would've been a better ring name than 'Doctor Sleep'. You're not wrong about Wilder's career being carefully curated though, Parker is definitely the second best opponent he's fought.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Wilder's corner definitely deserves a huge chunk of the blame. There was zero urgency from Malik Scott even in the 12th round when he should've been screaming at Wilder to change it up from round 5 onwards. Just seems like after Wilder's ridiculous sacking of Mark Breland that he decided he wanted a bunch of yes men in his corner.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
I don't want to take away credit from Parker or make excuses for Wilder but he looked unable to pull the trigger.
Part of that was Parker's gameplan for sure. But there were times when Parker screwed up his own footwork and was essentially standing right in front of Wilder and the right hand never came or when it did it was super inaccurate.
Yes Parker used good head movement. Yes he moved quickly into range. Yes Wilder has always been limited.
But I don't think it was just that. It looked like significant ring rust and frankly a shot fighter in there.
Part of that was Parker's gameplan for sure. But there were times when Parker screwed up his own footwork and was essentially standing right in front of Wilder and the right hand never came or when it did it was super inaccurate.
Yes Parker used good head movement. Yes he moved quickly into range. Yes Wilder has always been limited.
But I don't think it was just that. It looked like significant ring rust and frankly a shot fighter in there.
Niall
International Coach
Wilder cried about lack of activity , if only their was something he could have done about that?
Ultimately credit to Parker and Joshua, both fighters hugely doubted but unlike so many were very active this year and it really paid off.
Inoue keeps winning, Tapales a proper warrior but levels etc.
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Niall
International Coach
Bivol v Beterbiev agreed for Saudi Arabia.
Mixed emotions really, even ignoring the sport washing a major issue with Saudi Arabia is how quiet the crowds can be which takes away from the spectacle, but obviously American promoters did not see money in the fight so it is what it is.
Then the other issue,,,,,,,I am slightly worried that Smith might take out Beterbiev who is now near 40. Its a small sample obviously but Smith looks violent in this weight category.
Nonetheless no matter the winner of Smith/Beterbiev. Bivol schools both. Elite.
Mixed emotions really, even ignoring the sport washing a major issue with Saudi Arabia is how quiet the crowds can be which takes away from the spectacle, but obviously American promoters did not see money in the fight so it is what it is.
Then the other issue,,,,,,,I am slightly worried that Smith might take out Beterbiev who is now near 40. Its a small sample obviously but Smith looks violent in this weight category.
Nonetheless no matter the winner of Smith/Beterbiev. Bivol schools both. Elite.
Fury is overrated but this is hyperbole
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Beterbiev will murder Smith even if he was 50.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Jesus.
Not sure if that's necessarily the second doctor's fault.
The way that I read this is that they had MRI scans showing an aneurysm (which should preclude anyone from ever getting in the ring again), and they sought out a second doctor but didn't tell him about the MRI. So the second doctor would have just done a physical exam which wouldn't necessarily show any signs of an aneurysm.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Jesus effing Christ.
Heads should roll for this. It's bad enough to let anyone box without them being tested for an aneurysm, but to game the system like this is just so wrong.
If the ref knew beforehand though he should never have agreed to officiate. I'm sure he'd have been turning down a decent pay packet, but he could very well have been party to a genuine tragedy.
Heads should roll for this. It's bad enough to let anyone box without them being tested for an aneurysm, but to game the system like this is just so wrong.
If the ref knew beforehand though he should never have agreed to officiate. I'm sure he'd have been turning down a decent pay packet, but he could very well have been party to a genuine tragedy.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
No.
Beterbiev to this day has the best win at LHW, when he beat and retired Gvosdyk.
Yes he's old and inactive but Beterbiev has elite boxing skills and is up there with Inoue, Zhang et all as one of the hardest punchers in boxing.
The fight with Bivol is 50/50.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Rumours of Parker vs Hrgovic on the AJ-Ngannou undercard.
A great fight for the heavyweight division, but feel that it's a bad match up for Parker as he will struggle to get past the jab just like the Joyce fight.
Would be better to get in with Zhang IMO.
But it doesn't matter at this point because he's just taking as big fights as he can get and getting that Saudi money.
A great fight for the heavyweight division, but feel that it's a bad match up for Parker as he will struggle to get past the jab just like the Joyce fight.
Would be better to get in with Zhang IMO.
But it doesn't matter at this point because he's just taking as big fights as he can get and getting that Saudi money.