BeeGee
International Captain
We won't have to make 200. The WI won't be that adventurous. They'll set us a 250+ target and we'll just have to bat out the last two and a bit sessions to save the test.
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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14
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WindieWeathers
International Regular
Fellas!!..no doubt Taylor has played very well of late but lets get a little perspective aye? Bangledash away is as easy as it gets in test cricket these days even though they've certainly improved over the last 12 months or so...and against us he's been up against the WORST WI attack i've ever seen in my life...you can't have Tino Best and Darren Samm opening your bowling and say that's a test class attack...it just isn't.
Anyway as for the game at hand...i said from the start our main aim must be to set NZ 250 plus on the last day!!..i mean logic tells you if it's spinning on the SECOND day then it's gonna be hell to bat on on day five... we all saw the panic that ensued in the first test on the last day and with Boult roughing up the track for Narine too that just adds further spice to it
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The job is only half done though..we MUST get amoungst the wickets early this evening after bowling with decent cotrol yesterday..a decent lead will give our batsmen confidence going into the second innings that's for sure...i'm not counting my chickens yet though..but after all we've been through in recent months a win here would be special indeed.
Anyway as for the game at hand...i said from the start our main aim must be to set NZ 250 plus on the last day!!..i mean logic tells you if it's spinning on the SECOND day then it's gonna be hell to bat on on day five... we all saw the panic that ensued in the first test on the last day and with Boult roughing up the track for Narine too that just adds further spice to it
...The job is only half done though..we MUST get amoungst the wickets early this evening after bowling with decent cotrol yesterday..a decent lead will give our batsmen confidence going into the second innings that's for sure...i'm not counting my chickens yet though..but after all we've been through in recent months a win here would be special indeed.
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
So if New Zealand bat all day they should score at quite a healthy run rate (3.5), so 471/7 at stumps? Taylor walks out again in the morning in search for that elusive 300 for a New Zealander, and 1000 runs in a calender year. They declare about lunch time around the 600 mark, for a lead of 250 odd. Then they have 5 sessions to bowl the West Indies out, and maybe chase a small target.
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Hurricane
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He's better in this dept. than Clarke as MC has better openers.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Honestly the turn in this track is being hideously overstated. It's not a glasstop but it's still not doing much apart from out of the footmarks.Fellas!!..no doubt Taylor has played very well of late but lets get a little perspective aye? Bangledash away is as easy as it gets in test cricket these days even though they've certainly improved over the last 12 months or so...and against us he's been up against the WORST WI attack i've ever seen in my life...you can't have Tino Best and Darren Samm opening your bowling and say that's a test class attack...it just isn't.
Anyway as for the game at hand...i said from the start our main aim must be to set NZ 250 plus on the last day!!..i mean logic tells you if it's spinning on the SECOND day then it's gonna be hell to bat on on day five... we all saw the panic that ensued in the first test on the last day and with Boult roughing up the track for Narine too that just adds further spice to it
The job is only half done though..we MUST get amoungst the wickets early this evening after bowling with decent cotrol yesterday..a decent lead will give our batsmen confidence going into the second innings that's for sure...i'm not counting my chickens yet though..but after all we've been through in recent months a win here would be special indeed.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Some truth to this. However they are not as bad as you make them sound. Only Baz has a century besides him. And right now in this inning it looks like WI will get a lead.
BeeGee
International Captain
Yeah, I agree. Narine has bowled well and is causing problems, but he's a good bowler and we expected that. No other WI bowler is doing anything panic worthy.
I still think the game is evenly positioned. A no wickets in the first session and NZ is in front, three wickets in the first session and the West Indies are in front.
Zinzan
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I wished I could agree, but I genuinely have a bad feeling we may get rolled for around 220-240 this morning given how utterly clueless the batsmen looked against Narine in the 30 minutes I saw yesterday evening.
As I said last night, given we clearly can't seem to pick his knuckle ball, our best chance is to play him like an off spinner and if it goes the other way, hope we miss it. The moment we start playing for the one that spins away (like Williamson did), we'll be susceptible to LBWs & bowled
Hurricane
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Partnership records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
I couldn't find the stasguru function for FOW so had to make do with this:
Average partnerships for the first two wickets
Australia - 38.5
West Indies - 37.0
NZ - 34.54
Can't believe how bad on paper the Marsh Cowan partnership looks.
BeeGee
International Captain
Well, if we do roll over then the WI will be the deserved winners and our batsmen will need to learn how to play spin.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Obviously we're still very capable of collapsing to narine, but the pitch isn't turning enough to render their other spinners as genuine threats. When I say that they're not genuine threats again I don't mean they're not going to take any wickets as we'll get out to any kind of spin but they're not going to genuinely force us out without some serious pitch assistance which they're not getting atm.
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straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yes if it does turn out to be a 350/300/250/200 type of turning result pitch then obviously that's an excellent test wicket.
Would just prefer that we weren't batting last on it (or were already up 2-0 grumble grumble). That said we're all assuming the pitch is going to turn more and more and be very difficult to bat on when it comes to days 4 and 5. I don't tend to think of Seddon park pitches as really deteriorating, so it may in fact not get much more difficult to bat than it currently is. Particularly if conditions are more overcast for the remainder so it doesn't dry out as much, as is forecast.
Just need to render these discussions null and void by Taylor scoring another double today
ohnoitsyou
International Regular
We hope
BeeGee
International Captain
We hope Sammy bowls a lot.
Flem274*
123/5
This bloke pitches it in the same spot every time. McCullum to use his feet imo since Taylor doesn't do that.
I think the commentators are being a bit harsh on Sammy's decision to bowl himself. Always worth having a look to see if there is something in the pitch early doors.
Shot.
I think the commentators are being a bit harsh on Sammy's decision to bowl himself. Always worth having a look to see if there is something in the pitch early doors.
Shot.
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
Code:
JR Reid 13 24 0 871 128 36.29 1 6 1 1965
MD Crowe 10 17 1 820 188 51.25 2 4 1 1985
LRPL Taylor 10 18 3 819 142 54.60 3 2 1 2012
LRPL Taylor 12 22 1 818 154* 38.95 2 4 0 2008
[B]LRPL Taylor 10 16 5 802 217* 72.90 2 5 2 2013[/B]
LRPL Taylor 8 14 0 782 151 55.85 2 4 0 2009
flibbertyjibber
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Taylor one of the best players in the world to watch when he is going.
straw man
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McCullum's back-foot-legside front-foot-offside thing looking more pronounced than usual and is ending up playing back across himself with head going to the offside a lot. Also really struggling to time anything this morning. Not that that's a concern as long as he stays in.