Kallis vs Ponting as test batsmen

[Ikki]

TBH, if anything that makes him look better than he was IMO. Can't remember Kallis doing anything like what his stats against spin suggest. Was fairly ordinary. His average is probably derived from his performance against India's spinners and Pakistan's.

 

[vcs]

TBH, if anything that makes him look better than he was IMO. Can't remember Kallis doing anything like what his stats against spin suggest. Was fairly ordinary. His average is probably derived from his performance against India's spinners and Pakistan's.

Who are known to be rather good, aren't they? Especially in India, where he's gun.

 

[Ikki]

Who are known to be rather good, aren't they? Especially in India, where he's gun.

As good as Warne and Murali?

Don't get me wrong; those numbers have no arguing. He scored a ****load of runs against spinners. But the average exaggerates his prowess IMO. I don't think even Lara or Tendulkar have that kind of average. I would like to see how they arrived to that average and how the other batsmen of the era did.

 

[Prince EWS]

As good as Warne and Murali?

Don't get me wrong; those numbers have no arguing. He scored a ****load of runs against spinners. But the average exaggerates his prowess IMO. I don't think even Lara or Tendulkar have that kind of average. I would like to see how they arrived to that average and how the other batsmen of the era did.

Given this is thread comparing him to Ponting, does it matter? Failing good average bowlers and succeeding against world class ones isn't better than the other way around. And it's hardly like Kallis failed against either, anyway.

 

[Uppercut]

Failing good average bowlers and succeeding against world class ones isn't better than the other way around.

Apparently it is. Never understood that one either.

 

[Ikki]

Given this is thread comparing him to Ponting, does it matter? Failing good average bowlers and succeeding against world class ones isn't better than the other way around. And it's hardly like Kallis failed against either, anyway.

Bar Harbhajan Ponting has raked in the runs against pretty much all spinners. He averages 50 in matches against Murali whereas Kallis averages in the 30s. I'd love to see how they calculated it.

If it is precise (rather than how much he scored whilst a spinner played) it'd be interesting. In the article it says Kallis averaged 57 against Harbhajan but 38 against Warne and it doesn't mention how he did against Murali but he generally has a bad average both home and away against SL. So how in the hell does he average in the 90s?

To the bolded: Succeeding against world class bowlers and succeeding against very good bowlers > Being average to poor against world class bowlers and smashing the rest to bits.

 

[Fusion]

This isn't too bad either.

Also, Ikki kindly STFU please.

GF, please stop with the abusive language. If you have a problem with a post, just report it.

 

[Bun]

What is Ponting's average against Steyn?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Would be decent, I'd imagine. He got a ton and 99 in the one Test match against him in Melbourne that time, and averaged 30-odd in the return series in SA.

 

[Teja.]

what is ponting's average against steyn?

41.25

 

[robelinda]

Ponting's 80 odd vs Steyn on Day 1 of the Joburg test was one of his best test innings, ball was seaming everywhere.

 

[Teja.]

Interestingly, The Ponting-Ind case is a lot similar to the Sehwag-SA case. Sehwag averages 50.23 overall against SA, 25.46 in SA, 84 at home. While I'm not denying pitches have not been a factor, Sehwag played knocks such as the one in Nagpur in early 2010 where the ball was swinging wildly and Sehwag was the only Indian bat to look comfortable - destructive, even

 

[Spark]

Ponting's 80 odd vs Steyn on Day 1 of the Joburg test was one of his best test innings, ball was seaming everywhere.

Yeah that was a massive partnership for us, we were 3 for basically nothing and had those two not digged us out of a hole we'd be ****ed for that series IMO

 

[GotSpin]

Interestingly, The Ponting-Ind case is a lot similar to the Sehwag-SA case. Sehwag averages 50.23 overall against SA, 25.46 in SA, 84 at home. While I'm not denying pitches have not been a factor, Sehwag played knocks such as the one in Nagpur in early 2010 where the ball was swinging wildly and Sehwag was the only Indian bat to look comfortable - destructive, even

Reckon he struggles with the bounce more than seam or swing

 

[Teja.]

Reckon he struggles with the bounce more than seam or swing

Yeah, basically Sehwag doesn't have the temperament not to flay at consistent short-pitched bowling unlike someone like Gambhir who can't attack a short ball convincingly and will fend off many short balls in a dodgy manner but can last it out.

 

[smash84]

Reckon he struggles with the bounce more than seam or swing

lol............i couldn't help but remember your joke regarding Sehwag when the ball bounces even a little on the higher side .........

And Sehwag didn't struggle too much in Australia. They do have some bounce there too.

 

[robelinda]

lol............i couldn't help but remember your joke regarding Sehwag when the ball bounces even a little on the higher side .........

And Sehwag didn't struggle too much in Australia. They do have some bounce there too.

Wasnt too much bounce on day 5 at Adelaide when Sehwag got his unbeaten ton. He hasnt played on any bouncy or even remotely fast pitches in Australia. Of course its not his fault, its much easier to score runs here over the past few years than ever before. Not a criticism of him at all, again. Just like this 'fact' that Kallis has scored so many runs in seaming conditions in SA, absolute rubbish. Not every ground in SA is conducive to seam and swing, Kallis has as much problems with swing as anyone, hence his abysmal batting in england, where not only does he average low but look slike a club player- clumsy footwork, slow to react to movement, even after some enormous scores made by teamates in the same innings in 2003, no excuses when the team is 2/300.

 

[smash84]

Wasnt too much bounce on day 5 at Adelaide when Sehwag got his unbeaten ton. He hasnt played on any bouncy or even remotely fast pitches in Australia. Of course its not his fault, its much easier to score runs here over the past few years than ever before. Not a criticism of him at all, again. Just like this 'fact' that Kallis has scored so many runs in seaming conditions in SA, absolute rubbish. Not every ground in SA is conducive to seam and swing, Kallis has as much problems with swing as anyone, hence his abysmal batting in england, where not only does he average low but look slike a club player- clumsy footwork, slow to react to movement, even after some enormous scores made by teamates in the same innings in 2003, no excuses when the team is 2/300.

a scathing criticism of Kallis. Wait till PEWS finds out

 

[GotSpin]

lol............i couldn't help but remember your joke regarding Sehwag when the ball bounces even a little on the higher side .........

And Sehwag didn't struggle too much in Australia. They do have some bounce there too.

From memory Sehwag cashed in against a bowling attack without McWarne on some very flat wickets.

 

[Jono]

Lol @ mentioning Warne, as if that'd make a difference.

It's true though that Sehwag never faced McGrath in Australia.