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***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
Nah that was one of the repeated justifications from Hesson on Ronchi coming in. "Shots off both feet".

I was mucking around looking at Anderson and Neesham as right-handers there, until Telfer finished his sentence. :p
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
"Anton Devcich done well on the New Zealand A tour"

Did he?


Hundreds of thousands of NZC dollars a year going towards capturing every ball from every domestic or A tour match, each being coded with an array of key performance indicators and catalogued in an online video vault. And the verdict? "Devcich done well, but it's a big step up, y'know?". Thanks Mike.
 

RxGM

U19 Vice-Captain
In Defence of Hesson Re: Watling

Given how ODI cricket has changed with the new rules and the new roads been built it is likely that games will be 270+ scores.

With the change of fielding laws there is more emphasis on hitting boundries over rotating the strike. (Not BJ's strength)

BJ Watling has a List A SR of 69 fractionally more than his ODI SR and every time he goes big (50+) we lose.

Given that the ideal batting line up for the world cup is

Guptill
Ryder
Williamson
Taylor
McCullum
Anderson

likely points of weakness are Ryder breaking down hence the attempt to make Ronchi and opener and the continue experimenting of Rutherford/Devcich/Latham

other key concern is the finisher and thus looking at Ronchi, Munro, Neesham etc.

The only place that Watling makes the side is in the middle order but he cant accelerate to win us games.

Grant Elliott and BJ Watling are like for like players both are stable players though Elliott has a better accelation, can bowl, and is better in the dressing room

He was considered for the SL series but it was decided that he is better off prepping for Windies.


NB: I made alot of this s*** up but its my guess at Hesson's logic
 

vandem

International 12th Man
... BJ Watling has a List A SR of 69 fractionally more than his ODI SR and every time he goes big (50+) we lose. ...
I recall doing some analysis of one ODI season when Parore was batting at #3, his average in winning games was much lower than his average in losing about 10 runs => when he batted for some time, it helped us get a reasonable total, but not a defendable one. We seemed to do better when he got out early, which gave Cairns / Harris / Nash more time in the middle.

(did statsguru search:
Parore ODI batting at #3 or #4 when NZ won: 208 runs @ 26
Parore ODI batting at #3 or #4 when NZ lost: 921 runs @ 40)

Same reasoning could apply to Watling, although I suspect that his low List A SR is due to his early career when he struggled to average 30 in FC and List A.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
You don't think Hesson's simply decided there's not enough back-foot game in Watling, and he doesn't fit his proposed World Cup blueprint very well at all? Just laughably early for WC blueprints?
This is what I assumed when he wasn't in the ODI squad for Bangladesh, actually. There are justifiable reasons to not have Watling in the side - he's failed as an opener on bouncy pitches and as a #5 batsman, Elliott just about matches him for working the ball around but can also go large at the end. At absolute full strength he wouldn't actually be in my side just yet either, but Elliott would be on notice.

However, the scores of terrible replacement batsmen that have been picked since then really do suggest something else is at play, for mine. Differences of opinion and World Cup centric selections can definitely see Watling not included in the first six or seven batsmen, but ... 14? Really?
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Watling's list A SR and ODI strike rate aren't particularly good but over the last couple of years he's been pretty good and often our best batsman at times.

There's also the fact that McCullum is a terrible keeper these days, and they're at risk of doing to Latham what was originally done to McCullum - ask him to keep when there's plenty of batting talent in him and we have an excellent keeper already there in Watling.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
McCullum out with a bad back; Cricinfo's assumed lineup is lolbad - Ronchi as a specialist bat at 5, and Latham with the gloves at 8 (Neesham above him).
 

Flem274*

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Just what the side needs: a case of mild psychosis and the ability to spend an entire innings in the field without touching the ground once.
 

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
McCullum out with a bad back; Cricinfo's assumed lineup is lolbad - Ronchi as a specialist bat at 5, and Latham with the gloves at 8 (Neesham above him).
Yeah, just came in to post this. lolbad indeed.

1 Anton Devcich, 2 Hamish Rutherford, 3 Grant Elliott, 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Luke Ronchi, 6 Corey Anderson, 7 Jimmy Neesham, 8 Tom Latham (wk), 9 Nathan McCullum, 10 Tim Southee, 11 Kyle Mills (capt)

The top 3 make me vomit, no matter what.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year


Sahara Cup 2013 | ?2-1 sounds better?

This will be the first time that New Zealand will be playing at Fatullah. The visitors have apparently spoken to Jacob Oram, who had played a Dhaka Premier League match their recently, and they expect the wicket to be slow and low.

“I have never been there. This will be the first time that I will be playing international cricket on a ground where I’ll be turning up on the day of the match. We would be expecting the wicket to be low and slow again and probably, get worse as the day goes on. Obviously that’s what Jacob said, though it might be a totally different wicket, we have to wait and see,” said Taylor.
 
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NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Yeah, just came in to post this. lolbad indeed.

1 Anton Devcich, 2 Hamish Rutherford, 3 Grant Elliott, 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Luke Ronchi, 6 Corey Anderson, 7 Jimmy Neesham, 8 Tom Latham (wk), 9 Nathan McCullum, 10 Tim Southee, 11 Kyle Mills (capt)

The top 3 make me vomit, no matter what.
At least we're consistent in picking two specialist bats to match the two specialist bowlers.
 

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