View Poll Results: Who are the TWO opening bowlers for the Post Packer Dream XI?

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  • Imran

    9 12.68%
  • Hadlee

    28 39.44%
  • Marshall

    46 64.79%
  • Garner

    5 7.04%
  • Ambrose

    12 16.90%
  • McGrath

    27 38.03%
  • Donald

    3 4.23%
  • Holding

    4 5.63%
  • Pollock

    3 4.23%
  • Akram

    8 11.27%
  • Steyn

    1 1.41%
  • Bishop

    1 1.41%
  • Lillee

    11 15.49%
  • Walsh

    1 1.41%
  • Reid

    1 1.41%
  • Waqar

    2 2.82%
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    I kind of wish the poll was 2 opening bowlers plus 1 first change bowler.

    I voted for Imran, but feel that I should have probably left him out and voted for him narrowly ahead of Sir Richard for the number 8 spot.

    Marshall was a given for the other opening bowling option.
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    Went for Marshall and Hadlee.

    I think Imran is certain for the all-rounder slot, though perhaps that poll should be running simultaneously to help us better determine the balance of the side.

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    Marshall out on his own here but a ding-dong battle between Lillee, Hadlee and McGrath for the second slot. Ambrose not out of the running either.
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    Lillee and McGrath - 1st and 2nd greatest ever pace bowlers, respectively, for mine. I was thinking Maybe Marshall as a lot of Lillee's legacy also rests pre/during Packer, but in the end I couldn't leave him behind. He is THE prototypical fast bowler and incomparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I kind of wish the poll was 2 opening bowlers plus 1 first change bowler.

    I voted for Imran, but feel that I should have probably left him out and voted for him narrowly ahead of Sir Richard for the number 8 spot.

    Marshall was a given for the other opening bowling option.
    there is no compulsion that the third bowler should also be a fast bowler. we might end up choosing two spinners. so we have to wait for this poll and the spinner's poll to get over before the fourth bowling option is opened up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    there is no compulsion that the third bowler should also be a fast bowler. we might end up choosing two spinners. so we have to wait for this poll and the spinner's poll to get over before the fourth bowling option is opened up.
    I guess if someone like Kallis made the team I could easily live with Shane and Muttiah. If no one in the top 6 can bowl pace, I would not be picking 2 spinners.

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    Yes, this is quite tough. In the end, though, I went for Marshall and Hadlee. Malcolm Marshall is the most complete fast bowler of all time, so his choice was easy. Choosing between Hadlee and McGrath was tough given their similar career records/method's but I reckon Hadlee had a bit more pace and nip and was quite reasonable with the bat as well. Marshall and Hadlee would make for a pretty decent tail when you think about it.

    Imran is a lock for the all-rounders spot. Botham, to be honest, wasn't the major force he was before when the Packer players came back.

    As for Lillee, did he play or achieve that much post-Packer? He certainly was not as fast as he used to be. I see him more as a 70s player than an 80s one. Also, in terms of fast bowlers, I really cannot fully assess a pacer until he has achieved something in the subcontinent, and Lillee lacks in this category, for lack of opportunity if nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Point well made. Given his good-but-not-completely-outstanding career record I find it odd that so many people rate Lillee as the best of all time.

    On point of pure pedantry, Lillee's average is 1.7 points higher than Hadlee's (23.92 v 22.29).
    Aye, and Allan Donald's record is better than both yet he has no votes.

    I find it hard to look past McGrath though. Everyone's quick to point out how flat the pitches from 2000 onwards have been when trying to devalue Matthew Hayden or Virender Sehwag's career, but when Glenn McGrath completes a career on those same pitches with one of the greatest records of all time it's not even mentioned.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Aye, and Allan Donald's record is better than both yet he has no votes.

    I find it hard to look past McGrath though. Everyone's quick to point out how flat the pitches from 2000 onwards have been when trying to devalue Matthew Hayden or Virender Sehwag's career, but when Glenn McGrath completes a career on those same pitches with one of the greatest records of all time it's not even mentioned.
    donald is favorite of mine but his record against the best team of his time, australia, is nothing remotely great. that kind of takes a bit of the sheen off his achievements.

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    Michael Holding and RJ Hadlee. Combination of pace and accuracy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    As for Lillee, did he play or achieve that much post-Packer? He certainly was not as fast as he used to be. I see him more as a 70s player than an 80s one. Also, in terms of fast bowlers, I really cannot fully assess a pacer until he has achieved something in the subcontinent, and Lillee lacks in this category, for lack of opportunity if nothing else.
    Lillee's first couple of years after Packer were some of his most successful ever. He came back from WSC a slower but smarter bowler to the tearaway of the early-mid 1970s. His first 26 Tests after WSC (up to the end of 1981) yielded 144 wickets at 22 - and that includes his infamous Pakistan tour. Without those three Tests his other 23 matches produced 141 wickets at 20.

    It was only from 1982-84 that his performances - hindered by injury - fell , which produced the decline in his numbers from superb to just very good.
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    Marshall and Hadlee

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Choose two from the following list of fast bowlers to open your bowling.

    Remember, we will choose one spinner. The top runners up from that poll and this one will be competing for the last bowling slot.

    Keeping the cut off for the opening bowlers in this world XI at 100 wickets and avg < 25. Giving a wild card to Waqar coz he is missing out only on decimals.

    Imran Khan (Pak) 1979-1992 66 101 2156.5 528 5234 269 8/58 14/116 19.45 2.42 48.1 18 5
    Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 1980-1990 60 103 2590.2 684 6386 324 9/52 15/123 19.70 2.46 47.9 30 7
    MD Marshall (WI) 1980-1991 78 147 2852.4 602 7611 373 7/22 11/89 20.40 2.66 45.8 22 4
    J Garner (WI) 1979-1987 51 97 1913.1 518 4550 221 6/56 9/108 20.58 2.37 51.9 7 0
    CEL Ambrose (WI) 1988-2000 96 175 3606.5 965 8401 397 8/45 11/84 21.16 2.32 54.5 22 3
    GD McGrath (Aus) 1993-2007 120 235 4747.3 1427 11930 549 8/24 10/27 21.73 2.51 51.8 29 3
    AA Donald (SA) 1992-2002 69 123 2484.2 628 7113 316 7/84 12/139 22.50 2.86 47.1 19 2
    MA Holding (WI) 1979-1987 47 88 1628.2 355 4550 192 6/21 11/107 23.69 2.79 50.8 9 1
    SM Pollock (SA) 1995-2008 100 186 3827.2 1144 9238 389 7/87 10/147 23.74 2.41 59.0 15 1
    Wasim Akram (Pak) 1985-2001 92 160 3349.2 770 8728 367 7/119 11/110 23.78 2.60 54.7 21 4
    DW Steyn (SA) 2004-2009 26 48 867.0 152 3177 132 6/49 10/91 24.06 3.66 39.4 10 3
    IR Bishop (WI) 1989-1998 43 76 1401.1 288 3909 161 6/40 8/57 24.27 2.78 52.2 6 0
    DK Lillee (Aus) 1979-1984 38 70 1614.0 387 4476 184 7/83 11/138 24.32 2.77 52.6 11 3
    CA Walsh (WI) 1984-2001 130 238 4922.4 1115 12554 510 7/37 13/55 24.61 2.55 57.9 22 3
    BA Reid (Aus) 1985-1992 27 42 1040.4 244 2784 113 7/51 13/148 24.63 2.67 55.2 5 2
    Waqar Younis (Pak) 1989-2003 73 128 2252.5 422 7374 293 7/76 12/130 25.16 3.27 46.1 16 4
    Imran Khan and Marshall. A real fearsome combination of pace and aggression. Guys who have not seen both of these bowling on their peak, don't comment on it. I would love if someone has seen them both on their peak and he comment.

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    Went for Mcgrath and Garner on the assumption ther will be a 1st change poll where I can pick one of the other quicks.
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    Hadlee and Marshall...Imran, McGrath, Ambrose and Wasim missed by a whisker...
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