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    Pietersen's LBW call was obviously out, but watching it at full speed, you can see absolutely why he wasn't given out. It was nearly impossible to tell whether he jammed it into his foot or not.
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    Well that's 2 bad decisions in favour of England batsmen, the former which made no difference whatsoever, the latter which made virtually no difference whatsoever.

    So certainly not a good start to the series for the Umpires but so far it's not mattered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    Pietersen's LBW call was obviously out, but watching it at full speed, you can see absolutely why he wasn't given out. It was nearly impossible to tell whether he jammed it into his foot or not.
    In which case, as has been said, it should have been given out c Haddin. He could even have asked for the third-Umpire's adjudication on that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    Pietersen's LBW call was obviously out, but watching it at full speed, you can see absolutely why he wasn't given out. It was nearly impossible to tell whether he jammed it into his foot or not.
    Hmm. I distinctly remember being absolutely astonished not to see the finger go up. Agree to disagree.
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    My immediate reaction upon seeing it for the first time was "bloody hell, that's dead" but I've seen these sorts of things divide opinion before now.

    Either way, it quite clearly should have been given out, whether it was an unforgiveable error or a forgiveable one.

    And I so wish it had been given, as then KP wouldn't have been out to Hauritz.

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    My immediate thought was that he had jammed the ball into his foot, but if it hadn't hit his bat, it would have been dead.

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    KP's looked out but not for a minute would I consider Strauss's as an umpiring error.

    For mine an umpiring error is when the batsman hits the ball and is given lbw, not when the ball is clipping leg stump (see Johnson to Strauss).

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    It was cannoning full-ball into leg-stump tbf. And with balls that length it's generally pretty obvious where they're going.

    Definite mistake for me, but not the horrendous howler the KP one was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It was cannoning full-ball into leg-stump tbf. And with balls that length it's generally pretty obvious where they're going.

    Definite mistake for me, but not the horrendous howler the KP one was.
    Hang on a sec, are we saying umpiring errors because hawkeye would have given it out or umpiring errors that a trained umpire shouldn't have made in real time?

    If it's the latter that was not a mistake, I don't know how many of you have umpired before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Hang on a sec, are we saying umpiring errors because hawkeye would have given it out or umpiring errors that a trained umpire shouldn't have made in real time?

    If it's the latter that was not a mistake, I don't know how many of you have umpired before.
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    Missed the pIetersen one but I thought Billy esp. had a very good day. The Strauss one was wrong but not a howler and he made some very food not out calls after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Hang on a sec, are we saying umpiring errors because hawkeye would have given it out or umpiring errors that a trained umpire shouldn't have made in real time?

    If it's the latter that was not a mistake, I don't know how many of you have umpired before.
    It wasn't just HawkEye that thought the Strauss one was out - all the commentators said it looked out immediately, before they even saw the HawkEye of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Hang on a sec, are we saying umpiring errors because hawkeye would have given it out or umpiring errors that a trained umpire shouldn't have made in real time?

    If it's the latter that was not a mistake, I don't know how many of you have umpired before.
    Yeah, if you're trying to say that we shouldn't be too critical, I completely agree. It was a difficult decision. But it was a black-and-white one, and the correct decision was to give it out. Therefore, it was a mistake.

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    Some mistakes are excuseable. Some are inexcuseable.

    To give Strauss n\o was an excuseable mistake, but still a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    KP's looked out but not for a minute would I consider Strauss's as an umpiring error.

    For mine an umpiring error is when the batsman hits the ball and is given lbw, not when the ball is clipping leg stump (see Johnson to Strauss).
    Strauss was hit on the full, plumb on leg stump.

    The ball would have had to have been doing an awful lot to miss the stumps from there, which it wasn't.

    As for the KP one, after replays I rewound Sky+ and re-watched it "live" 2 or 3 times, and IMO there was enough doubt as to what hit what in what order for the umpire's not out call to be justified. In addition, there's a clunking noise which sounded very much like bat on ball - if the umpires are wired to the stump-mic, which I believe is the case, it would have been very hard to give that out with 100% certainty.

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