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Why no crowd barricades?

Craig

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Will he not be charged with assault?
I suppose and for trespassing. He still won't go to jail though, I would bet every single dollar that I have that he will not see a day behind bars. Unless he is a repeat offender, a wanted criminal etc., AFAIK there is no precedent in Australia that somebody has been sent to jail for pitch invasion.

Hell even drunk drivers who have killed somebody have not been sent to prison.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
What if the player complains of an injury? I know he was holding his arm a bit gingerly. Surely that's assault and would carry jail time?
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
I suppose and for trespassing. He still won't go to jail though, I would bet every single dollar that I have that he will not see a day behind bars. Unless he is a repeat offender, a wanted criminal etc., AFAIK there is no precedent in Australia that somebody has been sent to jail for pitch invasion.

Hell even drunk drivers who have killed somebody have not been sent to prison.
Unprovoked, he willfully assulted an unsuspecting victim in front of God knows how many witnesses. He has to go down.
 

Craig

World Traveller
What if the player complains of an injury? I know he was holding his arm a bit gingerly. Surely that's assault and would carry jail time?
Judges seem loath to send people to jail for assault. People glass each other in a pub (get a beer glass and smash into some person's face, causing some nasty facial injuries) and still have not been sent to jail. Produce a sob story about how sorry you are, and it works. We don't have mandatory sentencing and the three strikes policy in America (not in Queensland and not anywhere else that I know of).
 

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A guess but I'd say an common assault charge would be the likely result but jail time? No chance. Assault by itself, common or aggravated, rarely ends up with any time behind bars these days unless it's a protracted assault, multiple counts, other offences, etc and aggravating factors in WA are limited to things like if he had a weapon, made threats, etc.

In WA, common assault has a statutory max of 18 months jail time. That's it.
 

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A guess but I'd say an common assault charge would be the likely result but jail time? No chance. Assault by itself, common or aggravated, rarely ends up with any time behind bars these days unless it's a protracted assault, multiple counts, other offences, etc and aggravating factors in WA are limited to things like if he had a weapon, made threats, etc.

In WA, common assault has a statutory max of 18 months jail time. That's it.
I personally find it ridiculous that someone could get jail time for assault alone (i.e. no ABH, first-time offence). Seems the rest of the forum don't agree.
 

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I personally find it ridiculous that someone could get jail time for assault alone (i.e. no ABH, first-time offence). Seems the rest of the forum don't agree.
Generally, that's the way it's applied practically too. Rape, for example, has a max penalty of life imprisonment but rarely do persons who commit it see anywhere near that sort of penalty.
 

Goughy

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I personally find it ridiculous that someone could get jail time for assault alone (i.e. no ABH, first-time offence). Seems the rest of the forum don't agree.
I prefer to live in a society where unprovoked attacks on a person are unacceptable and are dealt with as such.
 

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I prefer to live in a society where unprovoked attacks on a person are unacceptable and are dealt with as such.
Jeez. That's harsh. My sister's been accused of assault before after having a fight with my Mum. My mother eventually dropped the charges, but the idea of her going to jail if found guilty just looks like Fascism to me.
 

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Generally, that's the way it's applied practically too. Rape, for example, has a max penalty of life imprisonment but rarely do persons who commit it see anywhere near that sort of penalty.
Yeah, that's true. I'd be happy for rape to be punished much more harshly though. It's a much more serious crime. Everyone has a few mates who get into the odd fight. You never have a mate who likes the occasional bit of rape once in a while.
 

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Yeah, that's true. I'd be happy for rape to be punished much more harshly though. It's a much more serious crime. Everyone has a few mates who get into the odd fight. You never have a mate who likes the occasional bit of rape once in a while.
Dunno, I know a few footballers....
 

silentstriker

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Yeah, that's true. I'd be happy for rape to be punished much more harshly though. It's a much more serious crime. Everyone has a few mates who get into the odd fight. You never have a mate who likes the occasional bit of rape once in a while.
Considering your views on home burglery, it seems odd. I'd consider it a much worse thing if someone came from behind and started beating me up or something than if someone came into my house and stole my iPhone.
 

SirBloody Idiot

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't know about doubling security. They just need better trained security. Not slugs who rest on their heels. If fielders can take a few steps in anticipation with every ball bowled, why not the security? Get them in shape and teach them how to cut down the angles.
Might have been said already, but they need security who is less concerned with popping beach balls and stopping beer snakes and more concerned with protecting the players.
 

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Considering your views on home burglery, it seems odd. I'd consider it a much worse thing if someone came from behind and started beating me up or something than if someone came into my house and stole my iPhone.
I know it's odd. This is exactly why I can't vote for anyone in elections :p. But even regarding burglary I'm not in favour of ridiculously strict sentences, I'm just happy to write off any injury or death that happens to occur to them while on the job as their own god damn fault.

Thing is, most assaults aren't like that. If someone randomly runs up behind you and starts beating you up (while you miraculously avoid any ABH) then fine, but much more often it's an affray in a bar where it's highly ambiguous as to whether there was any provocation or who started what.
 

Son Of Coco

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They're full of Pommie backpackers tbh...
I think you're confusing jails with unmarked graves in the outback. :ph34r:

On topic though, I think setting up an exclusion zone of 4-5 metres around the outfield and strategically placing land-mines should do the trick.
 

Burgey

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I think you're confusing jails with unmarked graves in the outback. :ph34r:

On topic though, I think setting up an exclusion zone of 4-5 metres around the outfield and strategically placing land-mines should do the trick.
Will be great when the ball hits one, won't it? And with any luck it might take out a visiting player or two...
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
If we'd had landmines around the edge of the Gabba in 2002/3, then Simon Jones' knee would NEVER have recovered in time for him to sink us in 2005!
 

Somerset

Cricketer Of The Year
Whilst the incident with the pitch invader last night was a disgrace, I don't think fences or moats are practical. IMO passing some sort of legislation that would see any pitch invaders at sports matches cop a massive fine (greater than the current rate), life ban from that arena and/or some sort of sentence would all but put an end to any invaders - sure those suggestions are strict, but its only a matter of time before someone injures a player to an even greater effect than that of Monica Seles in the French Open final in the 90s. I agree that the security would sometimes be more effective should they be lighter on their feet but I remember the 2007 Rugby World Cup final where with 300-odd security forming a ring around the stands, an intruder still managed to get on the pitch - I'd say it was just oblivious rather than unfit security that let the pitch invader make it to the playing area.
 

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