Why is Australia so weak against tail enders?

[GIMH]

I specifically recall you posting that everyone bar me was welcome to have your pin tbh

 

[Prince EWS]

Why don't I get BlackBerry messages from you biatches

Because you're a pansy Watto hater.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Because you're a pansy Watto hater.

'pansy' is too strong an adjective for Watto, but however you see it, PEWS

 

[marc71178]

I realise that most teams have problems occasionally, but we have really suffered with an Ashes defeat, losing at home to South Africa and now losing to India. All because we cannot get a number 10 and 11 out.

SA had it twice in 2 games last year, thus rendering your once against us as insignificant

 

[weldone]

'pansy' is too strong an adjective for Watto, but however you see it, PEWS

 

[Jono]

'pansy' is too strong an adjective for Watto, but however you see it, PEWS

Lol, nice

 

[Kylez]

Watson is gun.

Just sayin.

Thread also reminds me of Dizzy, the amount of times he frustrated the opposition with his awsome defence was just gun.

 

[vcs]

S. Africa vs. Australia in 2008.
Australia vs. S. Africa in the first Test of the return series in S. Africa.
Windies vs. England in 2009.
England vs. Australia in Ashes 2009.
England vs. S. Africa in 2009-10.
Australia vs. Pakistan at Lords 2010.
SL vs. India at the PSS in '10.

All instances of the tail making a substantial contribution that ended up influencing the result (except in the last case). Happens to everyone, unless you have someone like Waqar in your attack.

BTW, Australia's tail also wagged heavily in the first innings while India's failed to contribute much, but everybody forgets that now that the result went in India's favour.

 

[Uppercut]

It's an illusion created by the fact that it's happened to Australia at such crucial moments.

In the last three years (which is a timeframe someone mentioned), Australia have actually been the third best team at bowling to tailenders. Bangladesh have actually been the best, surprisingly, although we can possibly put that down to declaration hitting.

v Bangladesh	13.64
v Sri Lanka	15.14
v Australia	15.69
v New Zealand	15.95
v South Africa	16.21
v England	17.42
v India		17.61
v Pakistan	19.09
v West Indies	19.15

When people talk about how good a team is at cleaning up the tail, they're generally not referring to way ahead/way behind match situations. They're talking about wrapping it up in tight matches where every run (or every minute) is crucial.

 

[vcs]

When people talk about how good a team is at cleaning up the tail, they're generally not referring to way ahead/way behind match situations. They're talking about wrapping it up in tight matches where every run (or every minute) is crucial.

I think all the matches I've posted above fit that criteria to a large extent.

 

[Prince EWS]

When people talk about how good a team is at cleaning up the tail, they're generally not referring to way ahead/way behind match situations. They're talking about wrapping it up in tight matches where every run (or every minute) is crucial.

I think the sample sizes for the latter are too small to draw any real patterns from though. If the day you can't clean up the tail just happens to be the day it costs you, that's just unlucky really, unless you have a have a genuine inability to do so compared to other teams (like the West Indies seem to).

Pakistan being so low is interesting too for less conventional reasons...

 

[tooextracool]

Think most teams spend so much time working on plans for bowling out the top order that they often fail to allocate planning time for the tail. As a result bowlers bowl without any direction and any tailender who applies himself is bound to have an easy time taking advantage off it.

 

[weldone]

Think most teams spend so much time working on plans for bowling out the top order that they often fail to allocate planning time for the tail.

Good point.

 

[robelinda]

3 words - Warne, McGrath, retirement

Even with those two there were numerous times we couldnt get the last pair out, Hobart 97, Cairns 04, MCG 97, Bangalore 01. Edgbaston 01 the last wicket put on 100 too.

It happens to every team, no matter who the bowlers.

 

[zaremba]

Most of the factors have been mentioned already, but one I'd add is that on at least a couple of recent occasions (today's game and Cardiff) Ponting has been overly reliant on finger spinners - and part-timers at that - instead of his pace bowlers.

 

[vic_orthdox]

You look at the bowlers - Dougy, Hilfy, Johnson, Siddle - they're all guys who like to bang it in on an awkward length. Even Hilfy, a swing bowler, bowls a little shorter than the conventional swing bowler because he doesn't get the ball to go all that late. None have a good yorker (when was the last time you remember them yorking any top order batsman?).

Bowling at that length is generally a little bit too short for tail enders, who aren't good enough to nick balls. Add in the fact that Hauritz is wily, rather than outstanding, and there really isn't anyone who relies on "wicket balls" aside from Johnson, who really can't bowl at the stumps unless going around the wicket.

 

[Prince EWS]

You look at the bowlers - Dougy, Hilfy, Johnson, Siddle - they're all guys who like to bang it in on an awkward length. Even Hilfy, a swing bowler, bowls a little shorter than the conventional swing bowler because he doesn't get the ball to go all that late. None have a good yorker (when was the last time you remember them yorking any top order batsman?).

Bowling at that length is generally a little bit too short for tail enders, who aren't good enough to nick balls. Add in the fact that Hauritz is wily, rather than outstanding, and there really isn't anyone who relies on "wicket balls" aside from Johnson, who really can't bowl at the stumps unless going around the wicket.

Johnson yorked Sinclair in New Zealand just recently ftr. Cue jokes about that not counting or whatever, but it was an awesome delivery; would've knocked most over.

 

[vcs]

Johnson yorked Sinclair in New Zealand just recently ftr. Cue jokes about that not counting or whatever, but it was an awesome delivery; would've knocked most over.

Also one of the S. African batsmen in that terrific spell in Durban in '09.

 

[Kylez]

Also one of the S. African batsmen in that terrific spell in Durban in '09.

Boucher. That was an inswinger like the Sinclair one.

 

[Top_Cat]

Also one of the S. African batsmen in that terrific spell in Durban in '09.

The ball he nailed Amla with that day was virtually a yorker too.

But yeah, in general, the yorker ain't really this Aussie team's style.