Tim Bresnan

[keeper]

Bangladesh away seems pretty important now. Remember Bresnan showing fitness, commitment and no little skill in difficult conditions.

It's not just the amount of talent for England at the moment, it's how many players are stepping in looking ready for Test cricket.

 

[Howe_zat]

God the attitude to him was woeful. People completely writing off a 24-year old who bowls 85+, gets conventional and reverse swing and can bat, because of how he looks.

 

[superkingdave]

Stand by my comment tbh, would have emerged as an international bowler a lot sooner had he not been hampered by playing for *********

 

[BoyBrumby]

In mitigation the posts in this thread should read in the context of having been made in the middle of an Ashes series where Bresnan was having a pretty ordinary season with the ball, averaging 36.5 per wicket.

He'd been included in the squad but was never a serious contender, as the recall of Harmison for the final two tests proved.

 

[Jacknife]

God the attitude to him was woeful. People completely writing off a 24-year old who bowls 85+, gets conventional and reverse swing and can bat, because of how he looks.

Just said the same in the other thread about him.

 

[Howe_zat]

In mitigation the posts in this thread should read in the context of having been made in the middle of an Ashes series where Bresnan was having a pretty ordinary season with the ball, averaging 36.5 per wicket.

He'd been included in the squad but was never a serious contender, as the recall of Harmison for the final two tests proved.

I understand there's a time when a player shouldn't be picked, and there was little argument for including him a specialist bowler in 2009. Even when I advocated picking him right up to the 2010 Ashes I admitted it ought only be as an allrounder. He's improved far more than most would reasonably expect.

What pissed me off was people giving him no chance, permanantly. And because of what? A handful of ODIs?

I'm not accusing you of doing this. Much of what I'm talking about wasn't the CW opinion of the day - I wasn't here then. Though this post from earlier in the thread rather sums up the attitude:

Anyway, Bresnan is hardly ancient - he's less than a year older than me FFS - but he's not all that good and is highly unlikely ever to be. Yet another player to add to the "should never have been anywhere near Test cricket" list of England Test cricketers.

"I haven't been massively impressed by him so far. Therefore, he should never have been even remotely in contention for any selection. Ever."

The guy was deemed to never have any potential, and for no good reason.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Ah. Have Dicko on ignore, so missed that nugget.

Has always been a man of trenchant opinions but, I think it's fair to say, he rarely speaks for the majority.

 

[superkingdave]

Seen a few people writing Woakes off as well and the lad is even younger than Bres was then

 

[Top_Cat]

haha, r00kie CW mistake by Howe_Zat there.

 

[FBU]

More successful for England than Yorkshire

95 matches 252 wickets at 31.91 econ 3.09 s/r 61.95
9 Tests* 36 wickets at 24.02 econ 2.88 s/r 50.0

 

[vic_orthdox]

Hehe, citing a Richard prognostication.

 

[Zinzan]

Anyway, Bresnan is hardly ancient - he's less than a year older than me FFS - but he's not all that good and is highly unlikely ever to be. Yet another player to add to the "should never have been anywhere near Test cricket" list of England Test cricketers.

Masterstroke

 

[DingDong]

safe to say none of the guys who posted here in 2009 will ever become very good cricket scouts if cricket was to ever have a draft system (goughy, aussie excepted) dont quit your day job guys

 

[NUFAN]

Aussie is getting a little bit too much credit IMO for simply calling Bresnan a big strong whiteboy who has room for improvement.

 

[Fred Titmuss]

He'd been included in the squad but was never a serious contender, as the recall of Harmison for the final two tests proved.

All that the Harmison recall proves is that the selectors made yet another monumental mistake. If they'd done the right thing and dumped persistant failures like Harmison and Collingwood our rise to the top of the world rankings would have been a much speedier one.

 

[zaremba]

Yep some pretty wide-of-the-mark assessments. I don't think there can be many of us who aren't mildly astonished by the big lad's performances in Test cricket - and I'm very much included in that.

Hats off to Goughy, as has been said. Although if I were being mischievous I might suggest quietly that the great man has entered two horses in this particular race...

A little bit of this and a little bit of that.

I agree with you though. Two half players do not make a whole one.

 

[BoyBrumby]

All that the Harmison recall proves is that the selectors made yet another monumental mistake. If they'd done the right thing and dumped persistant failures like Harmison and Collingwood our rise to the top of the world rankings would have been a much speedier one.

Yeah, losing the Ashes in his final test appearance at The Oval in 2009 set us back years.

Hang on...

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

haha, r00kie CW mistake by Howe_Zat there.

Haha, indeed.

 

[Goughy]

Yep some pretty wide-of-the-mark assessments. I don't think there can be many of us who aren't mildly astonished by the big lad's performances in Test cricket - and I'm very much included in that.

Hats off to Goughy, as has been said. Although if I were being mischievous I might suggest quietly that the great man has entered two horses in this particular race...

To be fair, I stand by that statement also. I have issues with people trying to shoehorn 'extra' skills for the loss of a specialist. An average batsman and an average bowler doesnt make a good cricketer.

I liked his strong action but I didnt think he was there yet in terms of what he could do. He wasnt my type of selection. What has happened is that he has improved and credit to him for doing so. He looks fit and strong and is skilled. I dont think he is this type of player anymore. Now, I hope, he is selected on bowling merit alone and his batting is a very nice bonus.

 

[zaremba]

To be fair, I stand by that statement also. I have issues with people trying to shoehorn 'extra' skills for the loss of a specialist. An average batsman and an average bowler doesnt make a good cricketer.

I liked his strong action but I didnt think he was there yet in terms of what he could do. He wasnt my type of selection. What has happened is that he has improved and credit to him for doing so. He looks fit and strong and is skilled. I dont think he is this type of player anymore. Now, I hope, he is selected on bowling merit alone and his batting is a very nice bonus.

Yep, all fair enough, was just gently poking fun.