*Official* English Domestic Cricket 2012

[stumpski]

Meh, I can trump that. Fell asleep sitting on the living-room floor on Friday night. Woke up, saw a full drink next to me, took the hint and put it back in the bottle.

Bit sad to read all that about Ramps, btw. Really hope he makes this his last season, and that he gets a farewell hundred or two. Just the one last year.

 

[Pothas]

Can't remember a more rain effected week than this, still got a hosepipe bam of course (best Daily Mail voice)

 

[WorcsRoyal]

I hope Richardon doesn't get selected, otherwise we'd be screwed.

There's no way he'd be picked anyway. As someone said on another page, he's not fashionable.

 

[theegyptian]

I hope Richardon doesn't get selected, otherwise we'd be screwed.

There's no way he'd be picked anyway. As someone said on another page, he's not fashionable.

There's nothing about him being unfashionable, there's no ****ing way he should be selected for the lions or the full team. He's 37 in less than a week, has played one full season of county cricket, by his own admission earlier in his career "Cricket was almost in the way of me having a good time.".

It's basically taken him until he's 35,36,37 to get it right - does that not tell you something about him. He'll have retired in a year or two.

And on top of that england have 3 of the best bowlers have had in recent times and a number of very decent backups. but lets bring in Richardson for Anderson ..;.

rant over.

 

[Spikey]

http://www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/about-ecb/....otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-10

Amendment to England qualification rules

The ECB today announced that the regulations defining qualification for England male cricketers have been amended with immediate effect.

The key provisions are as follows:

All players who are already qualified for England will remain so - provided they continue to meet the existing regulations.

All players who begin residence in England or Wales before their 18th birthday will need to complete a residence period of four consecutive years.

Players who begin residence in England or Wales after their 18th birthday will need to complete a residence period of seven consecutive years. *

* At the ECB’s discretion, this provision can be reduced to four years for those players who have come to England and Wales from non-ICC full member countries or commenced residency in England and Wales before April 25 2012.

The full details of the new regulations are available at: www.ecb.co.uk/first-class-regulations-and-playing-conditions-2012

http://www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/about-ecb/....otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-10

Seems a bit overboard to me

 

[vic_orthdox]

Wowee. So, hypothetically, what effect would this have had on Pietersen and/or Trott?

Be interesting to see if someone in the situation of a Kieswetter would make the jump earlier to ensure they were under 18 when they made the move.

 

[Cabinet96]

Just think, had they applied that years ago, KP wouldn't have made his england debut until 2008, if ever. Can see why they're doing it, but I doubt there'd be too many who come to England after their 18 who will get a dig after waiting 7 years, but you never know.

 

[Cabinet96]

Wowee. So, hypothetically, what effect would this have had on Pietersen and/or Trott?

Be interesting to see if someone in the situation of a Kieswetter would make the jump earlier to ensure they were under 18 when they made the move.

I reckon you'd get a lot more people moving at 16 or 17. The 18-21 bracket was probably the most popular as people would go to England to make a career once they'd left education.

 

[theegyptian]

Not that they are even close to selections for lions or england but my mind wondered to Ballance and Robson.

I'd assume Ballance has already qualified having spent probably ~ 6 years in the UK since he went to school at Harrow.

Robson I'd have no idea when he came over here 2008 maybe and probably is more problematic although he does have a british mother and wikipedia tells me he finishes his qualification in 2014 which sounds about right.


Robson should be just about ready to suitably wind up the Australia come the 2015 ashes.

Cook (Gloucester, UK)
Robson (Sydney, Aus)
Trott (Cape Town,SA)
Pietersen (Pietermaritzburg, SA)
Ballance (Harare, ZIM)
Stokes (Christchurch, NZ)
Prior ( Jo'burg, SA)

looks the ideal batting order by then.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Isn't this a tad dodgy? The ECB is, in essence, treating British subjects as second class citizens.

The four year rule for overseas-born Brits (not required by the ICC) was only allowed to stand (as one understands) because it predated the EU equality legislation.

LIke the porverbial flasher's todger, I'm not sure it'll stand up in court. Maybe one of our legal bods could give their opinion?

 

[Jacknife]

Isn't this a tad dodgy? The ECB is, in essence, treating British subjects as second class citizens.

The four year rule for overseas-born Brits (not required by the ICC) was only allowed to stand (as one understands) because it predated the EU equality legislation.

LIke the porverbial flasher's todger, I'm not sure it'll stand up in court. Maybe one of our legal bods could give their opinion?

Yes soon as I read it I thought the same.

 

[Jacknife]

Wowee. So, hypothetically, what effect would this have had on Pietersen and/or Trott?

Be interesting to see if someone in the situation of a Kieswetter would make the jump earlier to ensure they were under 18 when they made the move.

Think Trott came over in 2002, so 2009 would have been about right for 7 years qualification, although he did play a couple of Twenty20 games in 2007 before that.

 

[superkingdave]

Pretty sure it will be fine, they have random eligibility rules in football, I'm sure it would have been challenged there if it were likely to be won.

In its Walrave, Donà and Bosman rulings, the ECJ recognised an exception to the principle of free movement of sportsmen for reasons which are not of an economic nature. This exception refers in particular to the selection of national teams.

The composition of national teams is inherent in the organisation of competitions opposing national teams. Rules concerning the composition of national teams, in particular rules that exclude non-national sportspeople from national teams, have been considered as rules that do not infringe the Treaty's free movement provisions.[12]

http://ec.europa.eu/sport/white-paper/swd-the-organisation-of-sport_en.htm

 

[Viscount Tom]

Either way the ECB do the selections so they can pick and choose who they like.

Even if it doesn't stand up in court it could still be used as a provision.

Also it keeps it at 4 years for players from non-test countries so in essence nothing has changed in regards to the EU I'd have thought.

 

[TT Boy]

ECB obviously don’t rate the new Saffers on the block.

 

[TT Boy]

Wowee. So, hypothetically, what effect would this have had on Pietersen and/or Trott?

Be interesting to see if someone in the situation of a Kieswetter would make the jump earlier to ensure they were under 18 when they made the move.

But in the case of Kes he was in the UK going to school while still representing RSA U19. He started playing for Somerset second XI in 2006 at the age 17/18.

Likes of Kes, Trott and KP up until their late teens and beyond were either still apart of RSA representative sides or still harboured international ambitions with the Republic. Being disillusioned with the system and getting rejected won't happen to most sixteen year old kids, particularly when they are still in school and cricket still isn't serious.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Didn't realise he was that young when he played in the U/19 WC in 2006.

 

[Jacknife]

It's gone back to the Graeme Hick days of 7 years qualification, I can see why they've done it but I doubt it will change anything much.

 

[marc71178]

Didn't realise he was that young when he played in the U/19 WC in 2006.

Born in 1987 so was already 18 when he played for Somerset (and at the WC)

 

[Scaly piscine]

How the **** are Warwickshire the same odds as Durham in a straight County Championship game between the two?

Without Woakes Durham should be massive favourites.