His ENG form as i said has been as a winger in cameo apperances - he has been playing as a central-midfielder for Villa right now since Downing has returned.Which is probably why I mentioned his England form too. But hey, forget I said anything.
Milener is probably better defensively than both Theo & Lennon, but they are better going forward than Milner.May sound sacrilege, but Milner is better than Walcott, for mine. More consistent than Lennon
Then what is he then?and Beckham is not a winger.
Well Cole for me can play either on left or right or an auxillary striker for ENG during the WC.Joe Cole, at his best, is one of my favourite players and a good option. But I like him on the left.
I was never slagging it off, his importance is clear to everyone. I'm just putting it into proper perspective in comparison to Joe Cole, as to why Cole should walk back into the ENG squad..Heskey's done what he's been asked to do for England. The things that Heskey does - the intangible things - he does better than pretty much any other England-qualified option.
And all I'm asking for is that Joe Cole prove he hasn't losted (sic) anything. So what are you arguing about? Pick a personality and stick with it.
It's good that you admit the importance of Heskey so soon after slagging it off. ITSTL though.
Seem as if you haven't been watching Beckham in for ENG in recent times then. But anyway if you think Becks wont be a threat againts any opposition in the WC as a winger, be prepared to be shocked..Not as a winger.
Indeed. Lescott & Jaigelka aren't international quality centre halves. I'd rather have Campbell over them (presuming he impresses at Arsenal in the coming months) as an option in the WC squad.Yeah, fortuantely I think Fabio's realised that Lescott is poor.
Yep, was brilliant last season. Player of the Month for February and then got our club player's player and fans player of the year as well. Aussie's obviously seen something everyone else has missed though.....Jagielka was outstanding for the most part up till his injury last season, right behind Vidic as the overall best CB of the season really. Pocketed pretty much everyone for a good two months as well(correct me here but I'm sure he also become a very rare defensive player of the month as well), not many people have truly stand out debuts for international especially when you're playing the best in the world, give him a break there.
ATM he is probably ahead of Campbell. But if Campbell can impress at Arsenal again, i take him given he has the international experience.Still a better option than Campbell or King though.
I know all of this, but the bolded is the key point. King is not going to be 1st choice centre-back anyway - he is going to be one of two back-ups to Rio/Terry (Upson the likely next back-up). So surely at some point during the tournament he will be fit. My argument is when fit he is the best defender behind Rio/Terry, i would like to have him JUST in case we get far in a big game to replace one of them. Since watching him at Spurs when he is fit to play, he is still brilliant.How anyone can consider picking either of those 2 is beyond me. King's a good defender, but he doesn't even train with Spurs and his knee could go at any time. There's no cartilage left in his knee, it's just bone on bone, and it takes him 7 days to recover from every match, which in a tournament that's run over a few weeks isn't good enough. He's just not fit enough to be picked for a major tournament.
I saw a different Jagielka when he was looking good for Everton to the one i saw in the friendly againts Spain TBH, i remember it well since before his call-up for that friendly i thought he was becoming a potentially good option for ENG. So i personally struggle to rate him above just a solid premiership defender these days since that friendly.I disagree with him being too slow and not physical enough as well. He's a very talented defender, and has really impressed me in the last couple of years. If he gets fit in the next couple of weeks, and stays fit for the rest of the season and plays like he has since he moved into centre half then he'd walk into my squad. Rate Jagielka very highly having watched so much of him.
Really? Is this the same player who kept Torres in his back pocket for the whole of the Cup game last year?Saw that game againts Spain. I dont remember it just for how he was beaten by that tremedous link up play that lead to the Villa goal, but his overall performance. He certainly didn't look like a international quality defender at all IMO, too slow & not physical enough. I cringe imaging him having to deal with Torres, Drogba, Anelka if he were to have to play for ENG during the WC.
If King was needed, both JT and Ferdinand would be out, as I'd say Upson's ahead of him in the pecking order. What happens if we have injuries or a multiple game suspension, and lose both first choice centre backs? It's not exactly likely, but it could happen, and if it did then we'd be screwed, as King would not be able to play 2 consecutive games in a tournament like the WC, due to his dodgy knees. I'm also a bit hesitant of picking a bloke that isn't even fit enough to train with the side as well.I know all of this, but the bolded is the key point. King is not going to be 1st choice centre-back anyway - he is going to be one of two back-ups to Rio/Terry (Upson the likely next back-up). So surely at some point during the tournament he will be fit. My argument is when fit he is the best defender behind Rio/Terry, i would like to have him JUST in case we get far in a big game to replace one of them. Since watching him at Spurs when he is fit to play, he is still brilliant.
So because he had a slightly poor game on his International debut in comparison to his excellent form for Everton in the whole of last season, you don't rate him as an England option? Pretty strange logic there. He was excellent last season, and having watched a lot of him I'm of the belief that he's definitely international class, and it'd take more than a few good games from Campbell at Arsenal for him to get a call-up. Jagielka would be a far better option.I saw a different Jagielka when he was looking good for Everton to the one i saw in the friendly againts Spain TBH, i remember it well since before his call-up for that friendly i thought he was becoming a potentially good option for ENG. So i personally struggle to rate him above just a solid premiership defender these days since that friendly.