You're just jealous of Dan.nz you can be the same lame arse dudes you have been for most of the past 100 years and play 3 bowlers and dan.........or you can take a chance. what is it ****s?
Because things have worked so well when NZ play 3 bowlers + Vettori?Going in with five bowlers against South Africa would be such a mistake.
Good post and I read that Turner article with interest. Firstly I disagree with the notion that we should 'rest' top players because we're playing Zimbabwe. Martin and Vettori like all the others will have been out of four/five day cricket for months, it's disrespectful to Zimbabwe, is a risk considering they almost beat us not long ago and it annoys me when other teams have done it to us.Do you think the selectors will treat the Zimbabwe as a trial match for the South Africa series, as Glenn Turner seems to be suggesting?
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I can't imagine any selectors not picking Vettori. But I do think they might play four seamers against Zimbabwe even if they aren't planning on doing so against South Africa. Alternatively, they could be planning to play 5 bowlers vs South Africa, in which case they might play all 6 batsmen against Zimbabwe to have a virtual bat-off.
If Vettori is going to play with four seam bowlers, then we need a keeper to make a lot more runs than Young seems capable of. Who that is I don't know - Young has a pretty decent first class record in recent seasons, so it's hard to say that Van Wyk or de Boorder will score any more based solely on their first class stats.
If a batsman is to be sacrificed it should be Guptill, who simply isn't good enough. But then there isn't an opener. (NO to Brownlie, by the way.) Anyone know if Watling would consider taking the gloves and opening?
My internal jury on Jesse is very much out. His career seems to be on a Greatbatch-like graph. The comparisons are even stronger if he's asked to open. Given Guptill's fielding skills and the lack of opening alternatives, I can see him being selected ahead of Ryder.
If they select just three seamers, I'd drop Southee. Yes, he bowled a couple of good overs after lunch at Hobart, but he's had a lot of chances and hasn't looked like leading a bowling attack. And it seems Boult can slog a quick 15-20 just as well.
Dropping Ryder not an option?For me, these are the options.
The last time we went in with "eight batsmen" we got bowled out for 150. It's the three best seam bowlers + Vettori that should be our bowling attack.I don't really see it as going in with five bowlers though; I see it more as "four bowlers and Vettori".
"Five bowlers" sounds stupid but so does "eight batsmen". I suppose you could say that your keeping position inadequacies mean you need to strengthen the batting.
AWTA so much, about time. Chris in for Boult though.McCullum (+)
Boam
Williamson
Taylor
Ryder
Brownlie
Franklin
Vettori
Dougeh
Southee
Boult
When will they learn that this is what the team should be???
Post highly disorganised and a lack of bolded fonts IMHO.For me, these are the options.
1) Vettori in, Boult out
This is the conservative option, and while it's harsh it's consistent with the structure of the side we have had for a while now.
2) Vettori in, Southee out
Southee was the lesser of the bpwlers against Australia, so if we drop a bowler on performance it's him.
3) Vettori in, Guptill out
My pet loony theory is almost worth a crack, and ensures the best eleven players in the country take the field. Vettori, unlike Ryder, has a technique so mad it works, and maybe it could defy logic as high as opening.
4) Vettori out for Zimbabwe, seamers on trial
Vettori is rested against Zimbabwe, and we see who has the worst record after four tests this summer. Logical for us, but an insult to Zimbabwe and test cricket. Also, Zimbabwe might beat us, and that would be a very bad look. Not something I'm comfortable with, but it has logic to it.
5) Vettori out
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Ryder or Brownlie opening is very unlikely to work imo. And if Watling takes the gloves, I'll rage.
his country called on him when Taylor threw him the ball after lunch and he responded by bowling his very fastest and swinging it. He doesn't get many cheap Steve Finn style wickets to help his average because people know about his bowling and they are careful against him. If anything he needs to bring the ball back into the right hander more with his off cutter to keep people guessing. Southee will come down to a 31 or 32 average sooner or later.Southee's average is getting more and more Samiesque. How poorly does he have to perform to be under the microscope? He bowls well in very small patches which are surrounded on all sides by the buffet cart.
Yeah, NZ need a spinner because of all the raging turners in NZ. Oh Vettori doesn't spin it? Well, we need someone to bowl 30-40 overs a day and hold up an end, and be all non-threatening an all. If they can't drop a batsman for Vettori, I'd rather he didn't come back at all.The last time we went in with "eight batsmen" we got bowled out for 150. It's the three best seam bowlers + Vettori that should be our bowling attack.
Agree with the druggie australian toad. The situation basically is:i can confirm if you take a chance all the cool kids will be your friend
That's a terrible summary. Apart from Guptil who is ****ty.Agree with the druggie australian toad. The situation basically is:
1. Having an extra ****ty batsmen who doesn't deserve his place
vs
2. Having an extra good bowler who DOES deserve his place
In my humble opinion ofc.
If Boult gets dropped, then it's going to be one of batsmen on the verge of being dropped (AKA a ****ty batsman) that stay in instead of him. I seriously don't think 5 bowlers, with one being Dan, is as absurd as people are making out. We just won a test match with 4 seamers ffs, let's give the idea a few more chances. It's not like we were winning tests left right and centre with the old structure.That's a terrible summary. Apart from Guptil who is ****ty.
a) we've only been playing tests for about 80 years,nz you can be the same lame arse dudes you have been for most of the past 100 years and play 3 bowlers and dan.........or you can take a chance. what is it ****s?