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Both average and SR are worse if you remove 2016.The bad thing for MSD is that the one year when T20Is were taken as a big deal (2016) he was in perhaps the worst form of his international career.
Both average and SR are worse if you remove 2016.The bad thing for MSD is that the one year when T20Is were taken as a big deal (2016) he was in perhaps the worst form of his international career.
Those games (including the Asia Cup) make up half of his career (38 matches out of 76).Come on Vic.. you know better than that. The point is T20Is are often used as throwaway random games where teams experiment all the time, outside of the WT20 and as I said, that one Asia Cup. There is no way you can conclusively state anything just because they happen few and far between and are hardly ever taken as seriously as the other formats of the game on tours. The bad thing for MSD is that the one year when T20Is were taken as a big deal (2016) he was in perhaps the worst form of his international career. And that seems to somehow cloud some folks' judgement. As I said, there is no way you can take T20I record as an indicator of a players' abilities and standing in T20 cricket, you just cannot.
Both average and SR are worse if you remove 2016.
Those games (including the Asia Cup) make up half of his career (38 matches out of 76).
I agree when they were one off games at the end of series, more just because it's hard to get much momentum, but since the beginning of 2015 Dhoni's had at least two games in each series. And teams have taken them more seriously because there are so few chances to prepare for T20 world cups (aside from Australia's farcical series against SL recently).
Batting records | Twenty20 Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Just think the idea of writing off an international career of substance, when the figures line up logically (same average, maybe lower batting position, lower strike rate which corresponds with more depth in bowling options at international level) seems silly.
What point?In that case, it actually supports my point.
I've got no skin in the game regarding how Dhoni is seen as a T20 player. I just think the idea of writing off international T20 stats as a bit silly.Yes, but honestly almost all T20 series before 2016 were throw aways. So if you only consider 2016, a year when he himself is out of form and you still see a good record, again I have to ask you what is the judgement you are even making here?
And you can obviously see why the stats before that are basically so meagre to read much into, just looking at number of games played per series etc etc. Remember T20Is usually have no warm up games, and are treated very very poorly compared to how ODI and Test Series are treated in any international tour.
EDIT: I filtered for last 2 years in statsguru and his record reads 26 games, 360 runs @ 45 @ 145 SR. Again, how is that "not good"?
And I posted a link in the IPL thread as to why its obvious Ganguly is just talking out of his ass here. The day after he said "Dhoni is NOT GOOD in T20s", he has stated "Players like Dhoni and Kohli ar eexpected to perform much mroe often." So one day he calls him not good and next day he says he should perform as often as a bonafide ATG of the format. Yeah right, no agenda here.
I've got no skin in the game regarding how Dhoni is seen as a T20 player. I just think the idea of writing off international T20 stats as a bit silly.
HB : The bad thing for MSD is that the one year when T20Is were taken as a big deal (2016) he was in perhaps the worst form of his international career. And that seems to somehow cloud some folks' judgement.The one you have missed all thread.
HB : The bad thing for MSD is that the one year when T20Is were taken as a big deal (2016) he was in perhaps the worst form of his international career. And that seems to somehow cloud some folks' judgement.
Me : Actually that was a pretty decent year for him in T20Is, better than he has played before.
HB : I have clearly said something that is factually false, but I'm gonna blame your lack of understanding for my mistake.
HB: Humm, can't admit I made a verifiable false statement which fully distorted the logic I was using, so I am gonna resort to distorting your nick.srkIdontcarewhatistrue: I have clearly said something that you never said coz it makes me look cool on an internet forum, even though I am totally wrong.
HB: Humm, can't admit I made a verifiable false statement which fully distorted the logic I was using, so I am gonna resort to distorting your nick.
A random stranger on the internet making me feel better about my life? Throwing me bones? Remarkable opinion you have of yourself.But it looks like it will really help you feel better about yourself and your life if I say this, so let me throw you this bone.
Its the opinion I have of you, from your posts.A random stranger on the internet making me feel better about my life? Throwing me bones? Remarkable opinion you have of yourself.
I see.Its the opinion I have of you, from your posts.