I blame the meds I'm on right now.I can assure you I do not know how to edit thread titles
fixedI blame the mods I'm on right now.
Part of the fun of this is weeding out the weaker players each round.. otherwise we can just get everyone's 2 picks and be done with it.Huh? Are you just listing bowlers that have played for their countries or actual truly top tier greats? Because those lists are way too long. Australia doesn't have 14 great spinners by any stretch of the imagination. At this rate, lets include Afridi and Malik too. Oh and put Monty in for England, far better than Tuffers ever was, so if the latter can be on your list...
I think it's:M Marshall
S Warne/M Muralidaran
It ends here
You have to put too much emphasis on FC records to consider them worthy of their places.. especially McDonald who wasn't anything great in the 11 tests he played. Cowie didn't even play 10 tests.You're a moron if you think Harmison or Caddick replace McDonald or Cowie.
Neither did Barry Richards, and that doesn't stop us holding him in the highest order. Cowie's lack of Tests was obviously due to WWII. He debuted in 1937 & finished in 1949.You have to put too much emphasis on FC records to consider them worthy of their places.. especially McDonald who wasn't anything great in the 11 tests he played. Cowie didn't even play 10 tests.
Where's kyear when you need him?I think it's:
Murali
McGrath/Hadlee/Ambrose/Barnes
No Marshall and Steyn because they didn't excel as much in ODIs.
He specifically stated earlier that it wasn't just based on players who played internationally, which is why players like van der Bijl and Le Roux are in there.Had a bit of time to go through the list.. the most blatant misses are:
Andy Caddick
Graham McKenzie
Peter Siddle
Geoff Lawson
Iqbal Qasim
Steve Harmison
Monty Noble
Tim Southee
There are 30-40 that I don't think belong, but of them the most obvious ones to be replaced with the above are:
Mohammad Nissar
Amar Singh
Bob Appleyard
Bernard Bosanquet
Jack Iverson
Ted McDonald
George Ulyett
Jack Cowie
Some players I couldn't even find:
Vincent Van Der Bijl - do you mean Cyril Vincent?
Rag Nadkarni - do you mean Bapu Nadkarni?
John Saunders - do you mean Jack Saunders?
Garth Le Roux didn't play tests
It also didn't help that Caddick was not selected for ages for reasons other than his ability when he should've been first picked, and he was over 30 when England finally woke up to how good he was. Not sure if he's in the Top 60 seamers but he's probably Top 100 overall.Caddick especially is hugely underrated imo. Dude averaged 26 in non-Ashes tests but because he faced the GOAT batting line-up for majority of the matches he played he ended up with a 30 average. He also has 234 wickets - in the top 50 there.
Definitely deserves to be in any top 100 list.
by any stretch of the imagination? I feel I listed 12-13 great aussie spinners, possibly would give you Lyon but he has big fans on this forum. Basically I think you're exaggerating bigtime. I agree Afridi possibly deserves a spotHuh? Are you just listing bowlers that have played for their countries or actual truly top tier greats? Because those lists are way too long. Australia doesn't have 14 great spinners by any stretch of the imagination. At this rate, lets include Afridi and Malik too. Oh and put Monty in for England, far better than Tuffers ever was, so if the latter can be on your list...
Yeah, if I was to kick someone out for Caddick, would probably be Hoggard.Decent argument for Caddick btw, I think he's underrated as well, but it doesn't mean Cowie gets chucked out. Find someone else to have him replace.