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Batting against the best (since 2000)
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Flem274*
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Supporting what Uppercut said, until the retirement of Bond, O'Brien and the injury of every half decent bowler, bowling has been our strength this decade, especially on our own decks. The lack of a top three has been the downfall of the side, not the bowling.
FWIW, I'd agree with the stats that apart from Australia, SL and SA are the hardest places to bat in, for contrasting reasons.
FWIW, I'd agree with the stats that apart from Australia, SL and SA are the hardest places to bat in, for contrasting reasons.
wfdu_ben91
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Is that because Stephen Flemming is 3rd highest on the list for averages?
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I'm just wondering why the starting date is March 27th 2000, who not January 1st. The tests between Jan 1st and March 27th could have some impact.
From memory, didn't someone from India score a big hundred in the 2000 New Years Test?
EDIT: Changing the date parameters, I got this:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting
From memory, didn't someone from India score a big hundred in the 2000 New Years Test?
EDIT: Changing the date parameters, I got this:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting
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vic_orthdox
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Interesting to see the junior Waugh faring so well in that.
Sir Alex
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Indeed.
Ftr from mid nineties to mid noughts, (1995 to 2004)
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Sachin is the only player to feature at the top in all 3 lists I think.
vic_orthdox
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Hmm, not sure about some of those nations. I wouldn't be rating runs in SL or India that much differently to England or NZ in that time. Really, outside of Aus and NZ, between 1995 and 2004, you could throw a blanket over the rest of them.
Sir Alex
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Hmmm.... Assuming england, australia, india and south africa were the better tourists, which I think is a fair assumption during this period,
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stephen
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The interesting thing about Tugga's stats here is that he played almost an identical amount of innings as Tendulkar, but made more runs and went not out more often. It seems to me that this demonstrates that having more not outs does not necessarily equate to less runs (some people say that Waugh intentionally was not out to boost his average).
vic_orthdox
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Are you saying these teams were better tourists (i.e. teams that performed better overseas) or harder places to win if you were a tourist?
Burgey
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The only one to play in all three eras, isn't he? Maybe Lara, not sure..
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Sanath.
honestbharani
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Where is the SJS Stats Factory when you need it?
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Sir Alex
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@ vic
The former. These 4 nations have been touring better than other countries. So it's fair to say the hosts who have the best record against these 4 are the toughest places to tour.
@ stephen,
Agreed. Waugh was insanely good in the mid nineties. Particularly had great time against windies I guess. He easily was the best batsman till about 97 when Sachin started to peak.
@ burgey,
Yes, very few have played in all three periods like Sachin, Jayasurya, Inzy, lara are the names that come to mind first. The point I wanted to emphasise is that Sachin being consistently at among the top in all 3 lists.
The former. These 4 nations have been touring better than other countries. So it's fair to say the hosts who have the best record against these 4 are the toughest places to tour.
@ stephen,
Agreed. Waugh was insanely good in the mid nineties. Particularly had great time against windies I guess. He easily was the best batsman till about 97 when Sachin started to peak.
@ burgey,
Yes, very few have played in all three periods like Sachin, Jayasurya, Inzy, lara are the names that come to mind first. The point I wanted to emphasise is that Sachin being consistently at among the top in all 3 lists.
vic_orthdox
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Not sure whether those four nations are a fair assumption for that period, TBH.Sir Alex said:
Wins and losses overseas between Top 8 nations in the period that you specified.
Flem274*
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Lol thats awesome. I would have thought his average of 20 odd in Australia would hurt him a lot, even adding in his big double tons in SA and SL.Is that because Stephen Flemming is 3rd highest on the list for averages?
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Nah my estimation was not based on Flems record
though that record will now become a constant reference when I educate everyone on how awesome Fleming was.
Sir Alex
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Ha fair enough.
Still doesn't change the top 4 nations which were most difficult to score against at home.
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Zimbabwe ahead of new zealand england etc. Interesting.
New zealand's lowly average at home is a shocker for me. Always had the illusion they were awesome at home.
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Athlai
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Well... when you just look at against SA
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we were 3rd best against Aus.