Austerlitz
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Would u elaborate which series played where do these figures include so as to get a better idea?These truly look very good for an attack in this batsman dominated era.
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Are England The Real Deal?
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Howe_zat
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Two series against the WI (7 matches, though the away series was played on some shocking roads, 4 draws in a row); home & away Ashes series (10 matches); home & away to Bangladesh (4 matches); home to Pakistan (4 matches); away to South Africa (4 matches) and the first 2 games of this series vs SL.
Bun
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In other words, nothing in the subcontinent, which per conventional wisdom is where bowlers go to die.
Dissector
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If you look at their records against Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka, the three decent batting lineups they have played against in that period, it is pretty average though. Tremlett averages 25 in 5 tests but the others are all above 30.
And they haven't played in the sub-continent where Sri Lanka's batting in particular is much more formidable than away.
Spark
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They just played 5 Test matches in Australia where in ten innings they kept us to only scoring 300+ twice, and 320+ once...
Howe_zat
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It's unsuited to our bowlers, so we're yet to face that challenge. But it's not as though it's the worst place for bowlers in general.
Quite. Some of the tracks England have played on in the WI and in Australia have been just as dead as anything served up in the subcontinent recently.
Howe_zat
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All while the decks were the kind that bring up 517/1, 620/5, 644, etc...
Howe_zat
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I'd like to see how many other attacks have managed to average under or around 30 in Australia lately.
Incidentally, those three very good batting lineups have been shot out for 98, 133 and 84 respectively.
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Teja.
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England has an awesome record over the last 2-3 years too though. Up until Oct last year everyone thought Australia was on par with the other top 3 and it was a four way race to the top. England completely annihilated them away from home. England's batting records are ****ing immense over the last 2 years as well along with having arguably the best bowling attack in the world. Anyway you look at it, England has been an outrageously good team over the last two years.
Can India come close to replicating later this year in Oz what England did in the Ashes? I don't think so.
England to win the coming series 3-1 or 2-0, IMO.
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Bun
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Quoting for epic pwnage after the series...
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Wouldn't disagree with you there, but i would say that if the series we are playing against each other was about to be played in India then i would certainly be backing India as the England attack is unproven in the subcontinent, that may also change though after this winter with playing SL and wherever Pakistan end up playing.
i agree with jono that england's batting is actually their strength. but what impresses me most about the team is their ability to fight back from terrible positions and win the majority of the important moments. they don't know when they are beaten and that is mightily impressive.
the windies attack comparison was only made by me since the stats connected to the number of times teams were bowled out for sub 100 scores was brought up, which i thought could be a red herring. again, i might be totally wrong...and would be happy to be so!
but interesting discussion this.
the windies attack comparison was only made by me since the stats connected to the number of times teams were bowled out for sub 100 scores was brought up, which i thought could be a red herring. again, i might be totally wrong...and would be happy to be so!
but interesting discussion this.
Bun
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Bangbatters unfortunately are a permanent exclusion in CW lingo mate.
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We all know they are there but lets be honest they aren't a great benchmark. It would be like counting Zimbabwe for African conditions before a tour of SA.