***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

[wellAlbidarned]

Wagner has played eight games. I'll give him a few more.
Also I'm probably still stuck in the fantasy world where Bracewell has built solidly upon his performance in hobart and hasn't horribly receded since.

The "ten cuts" was more referring to the likes of Sodhi and Bartin ftr

 

[hendrix]

Wagner has played eight games. I'll give him a few more.
Also I'm probably still stuck in the fantasy world where Bracewell has built solidly upon his performance in hobart and hasn't horribly receded since.

I want to be in this fantasy land too tbh.

 

[straw man]

Well, not strictly youth, but Wagner definitely got a rough cut imo. Boult, Southee, Milne, Wagner, Williamson would be my ideal world lineup with no injuries.

Even if we go with the untested (but hugely exciting) Milne, our best attack is Southee, Boult, Milne, Vettori.

My ideal attack (with a nod to the batting Vettori would hopefully provide) would be the latter, plus Williamson, except that the latter attack does not have a single bowler that can shoulder a large number of overs. Would be forced to look to someone like Anderson for extra overs, or compromise somewhere to bring in Wagner the workhorse.

Moot point though as I don't think Vettori will play another test.

Anyone think Sodhi could have overtaken Bartin in our selectors' eyes as number one spinner by the end of this series?

 

[hendrix]

Just to expand upon this, these are the recent tests in which having a good spinner might have contributed to an NZ win:

2nd Test: India v New Zealand at Bangalore, Aug 31-Sep 3, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: New Zealand v England at Dunedin, Mar 6-10, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

3rd Test: New Zealand v England at Auckland, Mar 22-26, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: England v New Zealand at Lord's, May 16-19, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Bahnz]

My ideal attack (with a nod to the batting Vettori would hopefully provide) would be the latter, plus Williamson, except that the latter attack does not have a single bowler that can shoulder a large number of overs. Would be forced to look to someone like Anderson for extra overs, or compromise somewhere to bring in Wagner the workhorse.

Moot point though as I don't think Vettori will play another test.

Anyone think Sodhi could have overtaken Bartin in our selectors' eyes as number one spinner by the end of this series?

If Bartin keeps producing more filth of the kind that peppered his first 3 overs, then it's not unlikely. But in all truth, if Sodhi is the best spinner we have (which he absolutely is not) then even I'm willing to admit that 4-seamers would be our best option.

 

[straw man]

Just to expand upon this, these are the recent tests in which having a good spinner might have contributed to an NZ win:

2nd Test: India v New Zealand at Bangalore, Aug 31-Sep 3, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: New Zealand v England at Dunedin, Mar 6-10, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

3rd Test: New Zealand v England at Auckland, Mar 22-26, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: England v New Zealand at Lord's, May 16-19, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

You make a fine case for the kidnapping of Graeme Swann

 

[straw man]

If Bartin keeps producing more filth of the kind that peppered his first 3 overs, then it's not unlikely. But in all truth, if Sodhi is the best spinner we have then even I'm willing to admit that 4-seamers would be our best option.

On a related note, I thought Kaneh's action looked less suspect yesterday. Though maybe that's just my wishful thinking that our best spinner is a long term bowling option.

 

[hendrix]

I think we can all agree that Jeetan Patel is the silver bullet.

 

[Mike5181]

On a related note, I thought Kaneh's action looked less suspect yesterday. Though maybe that's just my wishful thinking that our best spinner is a long term bowling option.

It's strange that someone with such a nice batting technique ended up with such a dodgy bowling action.

 

[hendrix]

some stats:

Over the past 2 years, NZ's opening bowlers have been 3rd best in the world, narrowly behind Australia (South Africa clearly dominate) but ahead of Anderson and Broad.



On the other hand, bowlers 3-5 average 39. That's second to worst on the list - marginally better than Bangladesh, and worse than Zimbabwe.

 

[Hurricane]

Does McHesson not rate Anderson's bowling. I thought he was supposed to be our Shane Watson and come on first change. Will he more be used as an Oram like bowler who gets through 5-10 overs a day?

My verdict on Bartin's first over is that it was worse than a piece of **** on toast.

 

[Hurricane]

I am going to try to find some footage of Doug from a few years ago as he used to have such a magnificent action when he could swing it.

 

[SteveNZ]

Just to expand upon this, these are the recent tests in which having a good spinner might have contributed to an NZ win:

2nd Test: India v New Zealand at Bangalore, Aug 31-Sep 3, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: New Zealand v England at Dunedin, Mar 6-10, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

3rd Test: New Zealand v England at Auckland, Mar 22-26, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

1st Test: England v New Zealand at Lord's, May 16-19, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

By good spinner in the Lord's Test, do you mean one that can score a fourth innings century? Otherwise that's a fairly lengthy bow you've drawn.

Give Ish a couple of years to learn his trade at FC level, rather than blooding him way, WAY too early and we might have one. History tells us that's unlikely to happen. Heaven forbid we get as bad at managing spinners as our trans-Tasman brothers

 

[Hurricane]

why didn't we have a 2nd slip? wait we had some funky new age half slip/half gully position instead.

Just as well baz is so good at t20 cricket.

 

[straw man]

cricinfo not updating so no idea what's happening

 

[Hurricane]

cricinfo not updating so no idea what's happening

124-2 Mominul on 96

 

[Hurricane]

Mominul on 100

 

[Hurricane]

Mominul has been riding his luck. Just bowl at his off stump rather than outside off stump and he will eventually do something daft. I don't rate this century.

 

[Maximas]

Hurricane now forced to assume the role of cricinfo commentator

 

[BeeGee]

Congrats to Mominul.