smash84
The Tiger King
Get him off the coke first!!
Get him off the coke first!!
Hazelwood and Starc have both had some pretty serious injury problems though, not to mention the fact that they're both from NSW and hence find it hard to get into the first eleven on merit.The difference with players such as the guys you listed and the aussie youngsters is that england managed to get loads more first class games / test experience pumped into them which fast tracked their development. Bresnan and Finn had a lot more games pumped into them two years ago than Hazlewood, Starc and Pattinson have now.
It is a notable difference, I was looking at the stats of one of England's up and coming players, James Taylor who's 21 and he's already played 58 first class games.The difference with players such as the guys you listed and the aussie youngsters is that england managed to get loads more first class games / test experience pumped into them which fast tracked their development. Bresnan and Finn had a lot more games pumped into them two years ago than Hazlewood, Starc and Pattinson have now.
The real weakness of the Australian system is not so much the lack of games, but that selection mistakes tend to be magnified. If someone is kept out of first class cricket for a few games to "develop" someone else who does not work out, that can wipe out half a season.The English and Australian systems have quite contrasting strengths and weaknesses - the fact that there's only 6 Australian sides means the standard of First Class cricket should be higher, but a player is only going to play 10/11 games a season. In England.the quality is a bit more diluted but players in the English system will be twice as experienced as their Australian counterparts.
Whilst the Australian system allows players plenty of down time to practice and hone their techniques and there's probably too much cricket played in England, there's probably no substitute for in the middle experience.
Quite a few of those retirements were ICL related weren't they?The real weakness of the Australian system is not so much the lack of games, but that selection mistakes tend to be magnified. If someone is kept out of first class cricket for a few games to "develop" someone else who does not work out, that can wipe out half a season.
Given our national selection policies it's easy to see that potential world-class players can be held down for too long or skipped entirely for the sake of developing prospects.
One thing that I find interesting about the Australian system is just how many top class players retired at the same time. Bichel, Kasper, Bevan, Maher, Love, Hodge, MacGill and a few other players who would have gotten a lot more international cricket if they played for other countries all happened to retire within a very short period of time. Not only that, but they all synchronised their retirements with the mass retirements from the Australian team. With all the youngsters in first class cricket at the moment we could quite possibly face the same thing happening again in 10-15 years.
I miss our glory days.
I always though that the Australian domestic system was better because they had extremely competitive seasons.The English and Australian systems have quite contrasting strengths and weaknesses - the fact that there's only 6 Australian sides means the standard of First Class cricket should be higher, but a player is only going to play 10/11 games a season. In England.the quality is a bit more diluted but players in the English system will be twice as experienced as their Australian counterparts.
Whilst the Australian system allows players plenty of down time to practice and hone their techniques and there's probably too much cricket played in England, there's probably no substitute for in the middle experience.
I believe in praising him when he's done something good...not just because he's "Jimmeh" and I've gone through a box of Kleenex just looking at him.Wait, did SoC praise Anderson?
A nice detailed analysis.We used to. But with only 6 teams you need every team to be strong - and SA has been pathetic for years and years now. Meanwhile QLD don't have a batting line-up at all. So for bowlers you're already down to 4 teams who are tough opponents - and 3 if you play on one of those teams. And with 6 teams what happened is a lot of the teams did the same thing - they ditched all the older players and started playing young kids in the post McGrath-Warne "OMG WHERE ARE THE REPLACEMENTS GONNA COME FROM?!?!?!?!?" scare. That hurt. Martin Love quit @ 35 and @ 37 would probably still be QLD's best batsman.
Elsewhere over the past 3-4 years we've seen a dramatic shift from players playing state cricket because they've dominated grade/junior cricket and also impressed in 2nd XI cricket to players playing state cricket because they played for the Aus U19's and so must be good. Of course Greg Chappell's modifications to the 2nd XI didn't help there but it's no surprise the Aus test team is **** when the domestic comp is a mess.
That's more like it.Yes, and we'll **** them.
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN CricinfoI believe in praising him when he's done something good...not just because he's "Jimmeh" and I've gone through a box of Kleenex just looking at him.
To be honest I didn't even praise him that highly against Australia if I remember correctly. Although I probably should have. I think I was more concerned with what a mess we'd become at the time.Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Yeah, he hadn't done anything good in the two years before the winter just gone.
Just admit the fact that you've praised him since he's 'done something good against Australia' as that's the only thing you ever seem to care about.
Unfortunately we all believed this was true up until the last 2 years. The success of our Test side, and their ability to replace 1 player at a time around a nucleus of Warne/Mcgrath/Ponting perhaps blinded us to the reality of our domestic predicament.A nice detailed analysis.
I remember Imran Khan coming up a lot of times on TV and praising the Aussie domestic cricket hence the perception in Pakistan is that the Aussie structure brings out the best players.
Your analysis has shed a lot of light on the current situation