Player of the Decade - Ponting

[Son Of Coco]

you idiot warne did criticise ponting,he criticised waugh as well he described them as ordinary, would you also think ponting did such a good job in england?what about the players behaviour aswell which lies with the captains duties aswell as over rates
im afraid you are an aussie who is just as stupid as ponting himself

You'll last a long time here again I'm predicting.

 

[Jono]

I am going to post a more lengthy reply looking at the cases of those being compared to Ponting but just have to say; it is a testament to how little liked and respected he is when people talk about Kallis being better because of the extra his bowling gives yet don't use the same argument for Pollock over McGrath.

Look, Ponting's record as a batsman this decade is as good as McGrath's with the ball - if not better. Yet Ponting is one of the best fielders ever as well as one of the most successful captains of all time. I put McGrath his equal but in retrospect I may have been unkind to Ponting.

Just to clarify, are you saying that Kallis is more 'liked' than Pollock on CW?

If so, you're way way off.

 

[aussie]

No one said he chucked out Klusener at his peak.

You didn't but unless he did, Smith "chucking" a Klusener passed his peak out of the SA team for whatever reason is not no achievment.

He captained in very few international matches yes, but he was a better captain IMO. Period.

I saw Shane Warne captain AUS in a few ODIs in the late 90s & he was excellent. Would he have probably made a better ODI captain than Ponting if he did he for 199 games like Ponting?, yes surely IMO.

But as i said before Ponting was clearly a top ODI captain, his tactical prowess have clearly been far better in ODIs that it has been in tests. Add longevity to that record & overall achievements & its ludicrous to rate Houghton over him as ODI skipper.

 

[social]

Graeme Smith is highly underrated as captain. He has always been a powerful captain. He chucked Klusener out of the team. He has power. He commands respect. Team mates have faith in him and guys like AB Devilliers really look upto him. Smith has been captaining from such a young age and has been captaining well. Over the years, the worth of Smith as a captain will be realized and he will be ranked very highly IMO.

He'd be held in higher regard if his team actually won something

Sorry, scrub that - he'd be held in higher regard if his team made it past the second round of any meaningful series

Rating him higher than Ponting is a joke

As for Houghton, give me some of what you're smoking! On your criteria, the 2nd grade captain I had when I was 14 should be in the mix

 

[Ausage]

Just to clarify, are you saying that Kallis is more 'liked' than Pollock on CW?

If so, you're way way off.

He's saying it's a testament to how little Ponting is respected and liked. Probably a measure of how well liked McGrath is too.

 

[sasnoz]

how can anyone like a arrogant prick like mcgrath,i dont think hes liked outside australia

 

[sasnoz]

btw ponting was not by far and away the best batsmen of the decade,kallis and mohammed yousuf averaged very similar

 

[GIMH]

I don't blame Smith for the under performance.

Well what makes him a better ODI captain than Ponting exactly?

 

[Redbacks]

Yeah he benefitted greatly when he was tearing apart a top order by having Warne opening the bowling with him at the other end.

 

[Uppercut]

I am going to post a more lengthy reply looking at the cases of those being compared to Ponting but just have to say; it is a testament to how little liked and respected he is when people talk about Kallis being better because of the extra his bowling gives yet don't use the same argument for Pollock over McGrath.

Look, Ponting's record as a batsman this decade is as good as McGrath's with the ball - if not better. Yet Ponting is one of the best fielders ever as well as one of the most successful captains of all time. I put McGrath his equal but in retrospect I may have been unkind to Ponting.

Yeah, it's just that you don't really get many Pollock vs. McGrath comparisons. But I'd certainly factor in his batting- especially in ODIs because I think McGrath's the better bowler by a bigger margin in tests. Polly's the best ODI player of all time, I think.

In terms of batting, Kallis and Ponting are remarkably close. Kallis now averages 54.80 to Ponting's 54.79, so if Ponting is better at batting, it's not because he scores more runs. 200 test wickets simply has to be the difference here, don't you think?

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, it's just that you don't really get many Pollock vs. McGrath comparisons. But I'd certainly factor in his batting- especially in ODIs because I think McGrath's the better bowler by a bigger margin in tests. Polly's the best ODI player of all time, I think.

In terms of batting, Kallis and Ponting are remarkably close. Kallis now averages 54.80 to Ponting's 54.79, so if Ponting is better at batting, it's not because he scores more runs. 200 test wickets simply has to be the difference here, don't you think?

What happened to your rule of always removing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe? Kallis averages 53.49 to Ponting's 57.3 if you do that.

 

[Pratters]

Well what makes him a better ODI captain than Ponting exactly?

All the qualities I listed.

 

[GIMH]

'Power' and 'commanding respect'. And his team-mates looking up to him.

Really?

You can say all of those about Ponting too. It's just empty rhetoric really. I can't see any basis for thinking Smith is a better captain than Ponting in the short game.

 

[Uppercut]

What happened to your rule of always removing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe? Kallis averages 53.49 to Ponting's 57.3 if you do that.

I couldn't be bothered, I didn't realise it made such a difference. Are those figures for the 2000s only?

 

[GIMH]

They are indeed

 

[Uppercut]

Fair point

 

[Pratters]

You didn't but unless he did, Smith "chucking" a Klusener passed his peak out of the SA team for whatever reason is not no achievment.

The way Klusener was handled at the time was remarkably harshly, some thing you don't see very often.

I saw Shane Warne captain AUS in a few ODIs in the late 90s & he was excellent. Would he have probably made a better ODI captain than Ponting if he did he for 199 games like Ponting?, yes surely IMO.

But as i said before Ponting was clearly a top ODI captain, his tactical prowess have clearly been far better in ODIs that it has been in tests. Add longevity to that record & overall achievements & its ludicrous to rate Houghton over him as ODI skipper.

I would put Warne and Houghton ahead of Ponting as one day captains. I don't really care whether it is internationals or not.

 

[Pratters]

'Power' and 'commanding respect'. And his team-mates looking up to him.

Really?

You can say all of those about Ponting too. It's just empty rhetoric really. I can't see any basis for thinking Smith is a better captain than Ponting in the short game.

It is not empty rhetoric. If you don't believe the power and confidence Smith effuses over his team mates, they way they talk about him, I can't really make you believe.

 

[GIMH]

Where did I say I don't believe it? You can say the same of Ponting. You've not given any actual reason as to why you rate Smith as an ODI captain over Ponting.

 

[Pratters]

Ponting doesn't effuse the same power Smith does. He is not at the same level on tactics either. Simply put, Smith is a greater leader of men than Ponting IMO.