Best Fast Bowler of the last 20 years

[Evermind]

Shane Bond

I would agree. If only he had played more tests...he's definitely a once-in-a-generation bowler.

 

[silentstriker]

This post and many others either by you or other members on this site completely put Lillee out of contention because he lacks or has a deficiency. When his deficiency in terms of success everywhere is no more or less than the people who he is being compared to.

Out of contention for what? I was [before I stopped caring due to people's twisting of my words] one of those people, and I still had him as one of the best of all time.

 

[Ikki]

Out of contention for what? I was [before I stopped caring due to people's twisting of my words] one of those people, and I still had him as one of the best of all time.

For the best ever pacer. Yeah I know you were one of the people, also one of the more reasonable ones; but there are others.

 

[GIMH]

Voted McGrath for the reasons Uppercut mentioned earlier in the thread (before he started going on about GCSE maths and stuff )

 

[silentstriker]

For the best ever pacer. Yeah I know you were one of the people, also one of the more reasonable ones; but there are others.

For the best ever, I don't see how its anything but subjective unless you talk about Bradman. And when comparing people a that level, every omission counts, including lack of a record in the subcontinent, and failures in NZ, and whatever else. At least by my standard. Perhaps not by yours. But that doesn't mean its not a valid point to bring up, or that someone is claiming that Lillee's three matches are representative of his ability, just like Marshall's record in one place is his, or McGrath's record in one place is his. But they do all factor into an overall impression, at least they do for when I look at a player.

 

[Ikki]

For the best ever, I don't see how its anything but subjective unless you talk about Bradman. And when comparing people a that level, every omission counts, including lack of a record in the subcontinent, and failures in NZ, and whatever else. At least by my standard. Perhaps not by yours. But that doesn't mean its not a valid point to bring up, or that someone is claiming that Lillee's three matches are representative of his ability, just like Marshall's record in one place is his, or McGrath's record in one place is his. But they do all factor into an overall impression, at least they do for when I look at a player.

Yeh, you missed my point. I agree with you and your outlook on it. What I didn't agree with you is in other people's perception on this site that for example, Hadlee/Marshall/McGrath don't have problems in their records. Or that their records are anymore complete than Lillee's. My gripe is that someone like Lillee keeps getting hit with stick but the others apparently don't - at least that is my take on the majority view on this site, hence my statement to Uppercut.

 

[Uppercut]

Voted McGrath for the reasons Uppercut mentioned earlier in the thread (before he started going on about GCSE maths and stuff )

Hahaha, indeed.

 

[bagapath]

Funny thing that. Phoenix Wright, my name Ikki. And that I'm a law student.

and i bet you'll nail some serious arses in the court rooms of australia. good luck, mate

 

[zaremba]

and i bet you'll nail some serious arses in the court rooms of australia. good luck, mate

Lawyers don't nail arses. Actually on second thoughts I can think of one or two who do.

 

[zaremba]

I do not have an issue with admitting mistakes - others have an issue with trying to manufacture mistakes which I have not made. If I should ever make a mistake, I'll happily admit it - to do otherwise would be completely pointless.

I think this is called something like the future conditional tense. I love it.

 

[fredfertang]

Lawyers don't nail arses. Actually on second thoughts I can think of one or two who do.

Happen they do things differently "down under" Mr Z

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Happen they do things differently "down under" Mr Z

I think they go into court with their spreadsheets and work out the stats for all cases in the past 20 years and then work out the probability of the defendant being guilty. And of course all eye-witness accounts are thrown out.

 

[fredfertang]

Well I suppose there is something in that - eye witnesses memories are notoriously unreliable - and I've also heard that some of them tell lies

 

[zaremba]

There is also something called a "first conviction average." Low is good for defence Counsel, high is good for prosecutors. Wrongful acquittals are removed from the equation by an expert analyst who follows proceedings from some way away from the courtroom but from whose decisions there is no route of appeal.

 

[Ikki]

and i bet you'll nail some serious arses in the court rooms of australia. good luck, mate

Haha, thanks mate. @ the rest of the thread.

 

[Uppercut]

There is also something called a "first conviction average." Low is good for defence Counsel, high is good for prosecutors. Wrongful acquittals are removed from the equation by an expert analyst who follows proceedings from some way away from the courtroom but from whose decisions there is no route of appeal.

Unfortunately, any acquittals achieved after the first wrongful one are null and void and should not be used when calculating the ability of the lawyer.

 

[Burgey]

Funny thing that. Phoenix Wright, my name Ikki. And that I'm a law student.

Oh ****. I hope to God I never have to read your written submissions in a case

 

[Richard]

Which would illustrate my point rather well, don't you think?

Ind33d.

Well, whether or not you think that Reid had the ability to become a great fast bowler, I think it is reasonably clear that you don't possess enough knowledge on the subject to declare it "not remotely possible".

And yet you haven't admitted that mistake...

OK - it was over-hasty of me to make said judgement on Reid. Happy?

I have done such things before BTW, and admitted it to myself - just quite often I won't proclaim those judgements on here until I've amended them, so people on here won't notice the fact that the error has been made.

 

[Top_Cat]

Thank ****.

Now, when I'm in the UK later this year, I want you to show me your computer so I can personally destroy your hyphen key.

 

[Richard]

Don't do this lack-of-hyphen lark. Honestly, a bit silly TBH how people get worked-up about it. Some things are one and all - a good hyphen-up never hurt anyone.