KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
Indeed.Strange how we became one of the best one day teams in the world in that period too. Way over the top I think.
Indeed.Strange how we became one of the best one day teams in the world in that period too. Way over the top I think.
Well yeah, but even when presented with a "crumbling spinner friendly pitch", Vettori's failed to take advantage of it. His fourth-innings record is shocking for a spinner, and his record in the subcontinent is equally weak.As I said, he is not the type of bowler who is going to rip a batting lineup apart. Unlike the other modern quality spinners (Murali, Kumble, Harbhajan to an extent) Vettori hasn't had the luxury of playing 60%+ of his cricket on crumbling spinner friendly pitches. Warne is obviously an exception, he would have performed well anywhere.
I don't understand what you are getting at...are you trying to say he should be dropped?
Exactly.I don't think his record is necessarily poor. Sure, when comparing to guys like Warne or Murali, but Vettori isn't that sort of bowler. As I said, he isn't going to rip a side apart. Statistics really don't tell the whole story.
Bang on the money there NZT .One thing most cricket fans fail to realise about Vettori's bowling is that he's generally likely to be equally as effective (or ineffective) whether its day 1 or day 5 as opposed to most spinners who generally come into their own as the pitch breaks up. Thats why as someone correctly pointed out in an earlier post, his last innings bowling stats are pretty ordinary. The reason for this is simply one; Vettori's skill is beating batsman in the air with his subtle variations & not off the pitch. We all know he rarely actually "spins" the ball and to be honest it always surprises me greatly when he does get one to turn. In fact if anything, he seems to perform better in the first innings of a game which is really quite bizarre for a spinner.Thing about Vettori is those who love him overrate him greatly and those who hate him underrate him greatly, with not much in between the two.
Excellent ODI bowler though.
Precisely my point, consistent & more-than-handy, but by no-means a match winner.Vettori doesn't tear through sides, however he always chips in and can get crucial wickets. He's reliable, he gets a few wickets per innings, he doesn't give anything away and is very good in tandem with another bowler. Also, his allround ability can both save matches and help us set them up (in happier times when we had a top order).
Sorry, I was skim reading this page.Precisely my point, consistent & more-than-handy, but by no-means a match winner.
You what?Precisely my point, consistent & more-than-handy, but by no-means a match winner.
And this scorecard is relevant how? If you read my summary on Vettori's bowling 3-4 posts earlier in this thread, you'd see that I said I didn't consider him a match-winner barring the minnows
No bother, i just thought this particular minnow match was relevant because Vettori did it all by himself.And this scorecard is relevant how? If you read my summary on Vettori's bowling 3-4 posts earlier in this thread, you'd see that I said I didn't consider him a match-winner barring the minnows
Ah, I see & you're right, he performed like an absolute world beater against themNo bother, i just thought this particular minnow match was relevant because Vettori did it all by himself.
And he doesn't even have to turn all of them, just occasionally throw one in that rips across the batsman. But none of his deliveries ever turn much, if at all.Vettori is a highly challenging bowler but he doesn't get batsman out, he has to make them get themselves out. Just doesn't turn the ball enough, his flight and variations are excellent but without massive spin you'll never be as effective as the Warne's and the Murali's.