Agreed. Unfortunately, all modern spinners have such countries, so comparing him to spinners, he still has to come out near the top. Warne, the biggest competitor, also has a horrible record in certain places.
But the whole point of the change was to try to remedy the fact that the umpire couldn't reliably figure out the bend of the elbow - and never could. That's why McGrath was never called even though his flex was in the double digits, as his action hid it better.
Funny? I've brought it up numerous times, to be honest with you. You can look it up via my post history if you're so inclined tbh. I just listed one, there is another too. The point wasn't to compare Warne to Murali - it was to show that all modern great spinners have had at least one country they suck in.
I haven't read the thread
Of course - certain types of people see what they want to see, all the time. Plenty of people have refused to accept that all bowlers contravened the old law. There's not a lot you can do, you might as well just snort in derision and move-on to the next sensible POV.
As a comparison, quite different. Warne faced the Windies mostly at the start of his career and when they were still the best in the world whereas Murali has the mass of his tests recently where apart from Lara the Windies have been not much better than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
No, it's because his action was deemed proper. I think we've had this debate a lot of times and we had a big one I think before you joined here. Most people acknowledge the old rules were flawed, but a lot of people subscribe to the written version as being that way. Traditionally, as a practice, or a certain culture, people thought actions like McGrath's were perfectly acceptable, if not perfect, and based their understanding of the law on that. I think it had become such a well-known 'common' law, so to say, that the statutory one wasn't acknowledged as much and people assumed they both meant for the same purpose.
What's even more frustrating is when worthy souls like yourself and Sean E express this viewpoint. Certain types you can just write it off as "ah well he's a moron in most departments" (we see two examples of this sort of thing in this thread) but with you it's not so simple.
It isn't?
If the written law reg. elbow straightening didn't adequately capture the traditional idea of a right action, then some other objective criterion has to be given to delineate what exactly the traditional idea of an acceptable bowling action is.
Indeed. Gives me somebody to take my anger out on
Bring it on!Indeed. Gives me somebody to take my anger out on
