For Australians

[Top_Cat]

The power of the umpire has been taken away, so when he acatually does break the law (if he does) there is no way of patrolling it.

The point of the scientific testing was to prove that the umpires couldn't patrol it either.

Your last sentence is right; there's no way to patrol it in real time at all and never has been.

 

[Nate]

Have wasted a fair portion of my life on the issue, and believe his off-spinner to be absolutely fine, but doosra dubious and top-spinner even moreso.

 

[age_master]

I think he throws it but i dont really care, its not like it makes him unplayable or anything. The thing i do worry about is kids trying to copy him and chucking it quite badly.

 

[Burgey]

I voted yes here, because I think his doosra is questionable at times.

But, as I have previously said, even if he chucked every ball, he's allowed to play so those idiots who give him a ard time should just get over it.

If he breaks Warne's record here, I will stand up and applaud him. A great bowler, imo.

Nevertheless, is it not time that we started to place a question mark against his record, on the same basis that so many are prepared to place one on Lillee's in the subcontinent?

I mean, if it's good enough for DK not to be among the top echelon/ an all time great because of 4 tests on the subcontinent and a poor record in them, when does Murali get placed under the same scrutiny given his, frankly horrible record in Australia?

 

[andyc]

To an extent I agree with Prince EWS, however the fact that they have changed the rules to accomodate Murali means that personally whatever tally he ends up with will mean very little in my eyes.

I agree with most of these sentiments, but IMO he throws 100%. They changed the rules for him which i still can not fathom.

That's what irks me the most about this debate, the claim that the rules were changed just for Murali; they were changed for every single bowler except Ramnaresh Sarwan, all of whom were throwing it according to the old rules.

As for the question, agree with Prince, but, as he said, the people voting and posting on CW are not your average Australian cricket fan.

 

[archie mac]

I voted yes here, because I think his doosra is questionable at times.

But, as I have previously said, even if he chucked every ball, he's allowed to play so those idiots who give him a ard time should just get over it.

If he breaks Warne's record here, I will stand up and applaud him. A great bowler, imo.

Nevertheless, is it not time that we started to place a question mark against his record, on the same basis that so many are prepared to place one on Lillee's in the subcontinent?

I mean, if it's good enough for DK not to be among the top echelon/ an all time great because of 4 tests on the subcontinent and a poor record in them, when does Murali get placed under the same scrutiny given his, frankly horrible record in Australia?

I think even Lillee might have struggled on some of those flat pitches they are throwing up atm

 

[Fiery]

If this poll is supposed to be restricted to Aussies then why have people who are not Aussies voted in it? e.g, PhoenixFire and Richard himself

 

[slugger]

heres the real question-- how did Murali get through the grades/domestic scene in Sri Lanka with out been pulled up in the Sri Lanka domestic scene... why didnt their officials/coaches team opponents question his action, the cricket laws at that time would have classed his action as chucking.. did Sri Lanka (officials) see the bigger picture?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

If this poll is supposed to be restricted to Aussies then why have people who are not Aussies voted in it? e.g, PhoenixFire and Richard himself

It could be that Richard wanted to drag up this tired old chestnut that's been done to death but knew he faced the wrath of some members if he did so. He therefore atttempted to hide behind a slightly different slant knowing full well that everyone would join in anyway. He would be able to cover himself by saying it wasn't his fault that it wasn't only Australians that responded.
(As you can tell Fiery, I've probably put waaaaaaaaay too much thought into your question)

 

[Richard]

If this poll is supposed to be restricted to Aussies then why have people who are not Aussies voted in it? e.g, PhoenixFire and Richard himself

I voted for the Dasa option; why Sam (and other non-Aussies) voted I don't know, but it's not a massive problem TBH, I know who's an Aussie and who's not. There are also people who've posted their views without clicking on the vote.

Either way - the results and the posts interest me, greatly.

 

[Richard]

Nevertheless, is it not time that we started to place a question mark against his record, on the same basis that so many are prepared to place one on Lillee's in the subcontinent?

I mean, if it's good enough for DK not to be among the top echelon/ an all time great because of 4 tests on the subcontinent and a poor record in them, when does Murali get placed under the same scrutiny given his, frankly horrible record in Australia?

Different issue, but yes, if he gets nothing again in Bellerive it will begin to be an unfortunate question-mark. I sincerely hope he takes a bag.

 

[iamdavid]

Acording to the laws of the game Murali does not chuck and I'm perfectly comfortable with that, but by the traditional definition of the word he does not "bowl" either.

 

[bond21]

Muralidaran blatantly throws.

The ICC changed the rules to allow the doosra to be bowled which is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Fiery]

I'd say that on CW this trend is far less obvious than he suggests. But I'm interested - interested enough to take the risk. Hopefully this might be doable without the usual descent into the usual crap, and with no C_C around I'm filled with a microcosm of hope. For the many anti-Murali-is-a-chucker brigade - myself firmly amongst said ranks - I'd ask that you resist the temptation. If someone makes a "he's blatantly a chucker, I can see it with my own eyes" please - just leave it this once. That's not to say I mind comments from other Australian-dwellers sharing their experience of the population at large.

(I'll take those who vote for the Dasa option as a no, BTW And I should add non-Aussie, non-Dasa votes will be disqualified )

I voted for the Dasa option; why Sam (and other non-Aussies) voted I don't know, but it's not a massive problem TBH, I know who's an Aussie and who's not. There are also people who've posted their views without clicking on the vote.

Either way - the results and the posts interest me, greatly.

Kind of ****s up your survey then

 

[Richard]

Eh? It doesn't do anything - as I said, votes (other than for the Dasa option) from non-Aussies will be disqualified.

 

[Fiery]

Eh? It doesn't do anything - as I said, votes (other than for the Dasa option) from non-Aussies will be disqualified.

OK, are you able to remove them from the poll then?

 

[Richard]

Either way, a tally thus far...

Yes: 11 (Andrew Garven, Sean Ehlers, bond21, Cameron Burge, cameeel, Julian87, Laurrz, Malleeboy, Nath Patrick, sideshowtim, The_Bunny)

No: 16 (burr, irfan, NUFAN, Greg Thomas, Speersy, Jack McNamara, Andy Cameron, Eclipse, Tim Whelan, Rob Cribb, Dan Smith, Sean Fuller, KaZoH0lic, Corey Taylor, David Hoitink)

Don't care either way: 1 (K Wright)

More to come hopefully...

 

[Richard]

OK, are you able to remove them from the poll then?

Well I'm not able to remove them from the poll, but the poll's not exclusively what I'm going to take my results from. See above - I'll do my own tallies based on Aussies in the poll plus Aussies who've posted their views without voting.

 

[PhoenixFire]

I'm not sure why Fiery cares so much actually, not like it's his poll or anything. Probably best if I didn't vote but meh, who cares?

 

[Richard]

The more non-Aussies who vote the longer it'll take me to get the results I was looking for, but that's it - I'll get them.

Is a bit odd I must admit that Fiery seems so concerned.