Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
And it's the latter that I'm asking. I grew sick of the "is Murali a chucker?" question in about 1998, the first time I heard of the damn thing.
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kwigibo
School Boy/Girl Captain
Honestly, coming into this series I defended him, but then I saw the high speed camera footage from the first test and I'm torn. I will grant him his anatomical defect whereby he can't fully straighten his arm, but in the high speed footage as his arm straightens and hits the point where it stops bending it does so with a jerk that is giving the ball more spin than it would otherwise receive. The straightening is giving him an advantage that it does not for other players.
The sad thing is you can bowl that wristy offspin within the spirit of the law even without the ability to fully straighten your arm. It just seems that in a match situation he can't help but take the little extra liberty. I know you can do it legally because i've tried it numerous times since he first toured here in 95. You can get that good sharper offspin with that action without crossing the line, it just takes a little more concentration and the will not to do it. He doesn't always cross the line, but he does it too often.
I would say he's not intrinsically a chucker, but he's not above stealing that extra leverage to get some good rip on the ball. And yes, I am splitting hairs, but this is the hair that defines the issue for me.
The sad thing is you can bowl that wristy offspin within the spirit of the law even without the ability to fully straighten your arm. It just seems that in a match situation he can't help but take the little extra liberty. I know you can do it legally because i've tried it numerous times since he first toured here in 95. You can get that good sharper offspin with that action without crossing the line, it just takes a little more concentration and the will not to do it. He doesn't always cross the line, but he does it too often.
I would say he's not intrinsically a chucker, but he's not above stealing that extra leverage to get some good rip on the ball. And yes, I am splitting hairs, but this is the hair that defines the issue for me.
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Nah.
He was roundly villified and rightly so ITE.
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Interesting thing about Hair...Nah.
Consistantly voted and praised for making more correct on field decisions than any umpire bar Taufel, but then because he is a bit of a rules lawyer everyone hates him. I think he's one of the most hard done by people in world cricket. He was absolutely right to do what he did to Pakistan and he was right to no ball Murali. It was disgusting the way in which he was treated and the bafoons at the ICC should be ashamed of themselves (more realistically, sacked and replaced with decent administrators).
We need a separation of powers in cricket. We need an independant body to control umpires, an independant body to write the laws of the game and an independant body to control scheduling and organisation. The body that controls the laws of the game needs to be elected. This is the only way that we can cut corruption at the highest levels.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
Top proposal - only who'd be voting? Players all have their own agenda; to say nothing of each cricket board. Should the average fan pull a lever at the turnstile at the MCG?stephen said:
Fiery
Banned
This using real names really saves you a lot of time eh?
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
All involved parties should get a weighted voice. Players should get the largest say, followed by cricket boards and umpires, followed by the current administrators. At the moment, the ICC is just run by the $$$ and looks after the cash more than the best interests of the game. one could argue that money is in the best interests of the game, but as we saw in the Carribean that is definately not true (covering advertising in urinals FFS).
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah. My thoughts exactly.This using real names really saves you a lot of time eh?
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Did he ever actually say that it saved him time? I think his reasoning is that it makes him feel more comfortable.This using real names really saves you a lot of time eh?
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, he did. Said it saved him a few seconds.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ah okay.
Fiery
Banned
This using real names really saves you a lot of time eh?
So stop trying to start arguments
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
IMHO you should all be grateful that he hasn't invented some pointless capital letter short-hand to call users by. FOR
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Haha okay, I'll try again.
You asked Australians (including me) if we thought Murali was a chucker. My answer was "it's a pointless question", with a supporting argument. I wasn't saying your question about Australian fans was pointless, I'm saying that I think, as an Australian, that the question about whether or not Murali is a chucker is beside the point these days. The issue for me is more about the general enforcability of the law under current circumstances than about any individual player, and I'm more worried about future players than Murali.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
OK, think we're square this time.
I too feel the current law is ridiculous and completely unenforcable, and have done ever since it was introduced. Trouble is, the previous law was even worse, based on false ideals as it was. Something had to be done.
The previous law was unfair and policeable. The current one is fair and unpoliceable. The only completely fair and 100%-compliance-assured way would be for every bowler to put a brace on before bowling each and every over. This, in my view, would not actually be an outrageous proposal at all, but I don't ever see it being taken-up, certainly not.
I too feel the current law is ridiculous and completely unenforcable, and have done ever since it was introduced. Trouble is, the previous law was even worse, based on false ideals as it was. Something had to be done.
The previous law was unfair and policeable. The current one is fair and unpoliceable. The only completely fair and 100%-compliance-assured way would be for every bowler to put a brace on before bowling each and every over. This, in my view, would not actually be an outrageous proposal at all, but I don't ever see it being taken-up, certainly not.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Nah, it doesn't save any time to use real-names, but I do feel far more comfortable with it in most cases. It takes a bit more time to ensure 100% that absolutely everyone knows who I'm on about, but the amount of extra time taken is not anywhere near enough to dissuade me from taking it in order to avoid calling people by some posting-ID.
In any case, it's not like Mr Wright isn't actually your name. Just sounds a bit, well, over-formal, even despite your Mod-empowered position.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sometimes it is good to be formal.
Scmods
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I think my opinion on this issue is rather clear 
He's a chucker. Pure and simple. The fact he's allowed to play is an absolute joke and shows the amount of asian bias in the ICC. They get things the way they want them purely because they're the biggest countries. The fact he'll go down in history as the leading wicket taker is a disgrace and the ICC should be ashamed.
He's a chucker. Pure and simple. The fact he's allowed to play is an absolute joke and shows the amount of asian bias in the ICC. They get things the way they want them purely because they're the biggest countries. The fact he'll go down in history as the leading wicket taker is a disgrace and the ICC should be ashamed.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Err, I see a bunch of non-Australians voting in this poll. 
I really have to take my own advice and seriously stop reading every CC thread except the match ones.
I really have to take my own advice and seriously stop reading every CC thread except the match ones.