Spark
Global Moderator
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It's circular reasoning 101.
"Why is bad that he's a drug cheat?"
"Because it's bad."
"Why is it bad?"
"Because he's a drug cheat."
Uhhhh
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CW50 2nd Edition - No 05
- Thread starter smash84
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It's circular reasoning 101.
"Why is bad that he's a drug cheat?"
"Because it's bad."
"Why is it bad?"
"Because he's a drug cheat."
Uhhhh
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I shouldn't have said anything because I don't care about this issue - I think people get worked up over anything. But yea, I don't see him as any different to Akhtar and such.
Uppercut
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I don't think many people think Warne was an actual drugs cheat.
Drugs in sport are an unusual exception to 'innocent until proven guilty'. If there are drugs in your system, you're banned without any attempt to figure out whether you were actually trying to use them to gain an advantage. You can go through a universally accepted drugs ban without anyone in the world believing that you deliberately did anything wrong- it happened to half the Netherlands football team a while back. That's why it's possible to go through a ban for drugs and come back with almost no damage done to your reputation. It's not that people don't care about it, they're just willing give a benefit of the doubt that anti-doping agencies can't allow.
But yeah, personally, I don't really care. Drugs have a unique ability to invoke ridiculously disproportionate moral outrage and sport isn't an exception.
bagapath
International Captain
warne deserves to be ranked above tendulkar any which way you look at it. yeah, bradman and sobers are automatic choices to be heading this list I agree. and imran has a good case to be number three. warne can be number 5 only if richards sneaks in ahead of him at 4, which hasn't happened here. apart from these gentlemen, no one else, including tendulkar, murali and hobbs, could be placed above warne for he is a greater match winner than all his contemporaries; he also had the style and box office to go with it to make him the most compelling cricketer of his generation.
ahh okay i get it now.
it's been discussed to death on the net. i am not a good enough writer so i'll post some links when i get a chance on another thread.
Spark
Global Moderator
It's an interesting subject, once you really delve into why performance enhancing drugs are treated as they are, and specifically why the line is drawn where it is, you start to see that the reasons for it aren't very clear at all.
yes i agree. sorry for ruining the thread. can u delete my posts pls
kyear2
Cricketer Of The Year
A place too low imo, I had him at four, without doubt the greatest spin bolwer ever. Didn't play on home tracks that particularly favored him and like Marshall had to compete with other great bolwers for his scalps but ended up forming the greatest fast bolwer/spinner partnership in history with Mcgrath. He revived the great and some though lost art of spin bowling and when one looks at the length between him and the last ATG leggie (O'Reilly) shows how difficult the art is to master. They hvae been a few challengers to the Leg Spin throne (Sobers thought Gupte better ect.) but few could argue that none matched Warne as a match winner, and to me he is the second greatest bolwer of ALL TIME. He was also a ATG slip fielder and his lower order batting was under rated, but most importantly he was a winner and will go down in history as the Greatest Ever for his disipline.
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biased indian
International Coach
you can do that yourself rt ? its with in day
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
I had him at 1 last time, but didn't vote in this.
I don't actually think he is the best of all-time per se, but the reason behind my vote was based on impact. If England dominated cricket for 20 years (stay with me) and Australia fell to bangladesh levels and then brought a 60-odd year old Warne out of retirement for the 2033 Ashes, I would be ****ting myself. I couldn't say that about any other player, and that's why I put him at 1 and quite possibly would do again.
biased indian
International Coach
if he had done well against us he would have been an automatic choice for me as the greatest bowler of all time..but then he failed still a top 10 bowler with out any doubt... would have had him in 8-10 on any given day
uvelocity
International Coach
I'm not even midly fazed, but to compare him to performance enhancing drug cheats in aerobic sports is pretty silly imo. Anyway don't want to derail so I'm out.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Sorry, couldn't.
smash84
The Tiger King
Cevno
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weeman27bob
International Regular
Agree, can't see them dominating for any less than the next 120.
smash84
The Tiger King
FixedAgree, can't see them dominating for any more than the next t20.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
The 4 people most likely above him are Tendulkar, Imran, Sobers and Imran. The only person from that who people might talk less about is Sobers. Imran, Tendulkar and Bradman are more famous than Warne.