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    Interesting match-ups - all forms of the game

    Most Common bowler/batsman match-ups (in terms of wickets taken) across all 3 forms of the game......

    Records | Combined Test, ODI and T20I records | Bowling records | Bowler/batsman combinations | Cricinfo.com

    Found it interesting that;

    1) McGrath owned Atherton, Kirsten, Inzamam & Tendulkar, yet was only moderately successful against Lara.

    2) Hayden >>> against Harbhajan

    3) Ponting >>> Kumble

    4) Gough >>>> Kirsten

    5) Vaas >>>> both Fleming & Gayle

    6) Tendulkar >>> Murali

    7) Walcott >>>> Laker

    8) De Silva >> Saqlain
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    Sorry, is the average quoted there the runs averaged by the batsman in those innings, or off the bowler concerned? I suspect the former, but not sure.

    Edit - notes at the bottom say it's batsman's average score upon dismissal.

    Bloody hell, check out Shaun Pollock on Tendulkar!

    Thought Harby's record against Ponting would be even better than that tbh, though Ponting averaging 25 in those matches is hardly massive.

    Interesting list. Cheers for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Sorry, is the average quoted there the runs averaged by the batsman in those innings, or off the bowler concerned? I suspect the former, but not sure.

    Edit - notes at the bottom say it's batsman's average score upon dismissal.

    Bloody hell, check out Shaun Pollock on Tendulkar!
    Yeah, I was just about to point that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Sorry, is the average quoted there the runs averaged by the batsman in those innings, or off the bowler concerned? I suspect the former, but not sure.

    Edit - notes at the bottom say it's batsman's average score upon dismissal.

    Bloody hell, check out Shaun Pollock on Tendulkar!

    Thought Harby's record against Ponting would be even better than that tbh, though Ponting averaging 25 in those matches is hardly massive.

    Interesting list. Cheers for that.
    Yup, batsman's average

    Had missed Pollock v Tendulkar as well ...


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    Very intesting statistics. Two points of interest I'd add to your first post would be Pollock over Tendulkar (13 wickets @ 6.15) and Vaas over Gibbs (12 wickets @ 2.33!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerset View Post
    Very intesting statistics. Two points of interest I'd add to your first post would be Pollock over Tendulkar (13 wickets @ 6.15) and Vaas over Gibbs (12 wickets @ 2.33!).
    Always amazed me how Vaas had so many quality bunnies

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    BTW, that average does not take into account scores that might have been made by the batsman when the bowler was playing, but failed to dismiss him, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    BTW, that average does not take into account scores that might have been made by the batsman when the bowler was playing, but failed to dismiss him, does it?
    No. So all it really shows is an ability to extract a batsman early. If that batsman has a good record against a side, it may say that he has to weather the storm against that particular bowler and then he will be fine. But if it is a bad record against the nation (e.g. Gibbs vs Sri Lanka/Vass), then it is fair to say that player has his number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    No. So all it really shows is an ability to extract a batsman early. If that batsman has a good record against a side, it may say that he has to weather the storm against that particular bowler and then he will be fine. But if it is a bad record against the nation (e.g. Gibbs vs Sri Lanka/Vass), then it is fair to say that player has his number.
    But then The batsmen may have clobbered that said bowler in those occasions and it is not included in this average.

    For example -Player A gets dismissed twice in a row by player B for a score of 6 and 5 respectively.Now in the third innings player A takes his revenge and smacks a 200 not out and smacks player B around for 90 runs of 10 overs.
    His average on here will still show 5 runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    BTW, that average does not take into account scores that might have been made by the batsman when the bowler was playing, but failed to dismiss him, does it?
    Correct...Ave is the average batsman's score upon dismissal by the bowler

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Correct...Ave is the average batsman's score upon dismissal by the bowler
    yup. it is a pretty useful stat but with some limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    But then The batsmen may have clobbered that said bowler in those occasions and it is not included in this average.

    For example -Player A gets dismissed twice in a row by player B for a score of 6 and 5 respectively.Now in the third innings player A takes his revenge and smacks a 200 not out and smacks player B around for 90 runs of 10 overs.
    His average on here will still show 5 runs.
    Sure, but I think the Pollock stat is telling. It is a window to why Tendulkar was pretty poor record against the Saffies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Sure, but I think the Pollock stat is telling. It is a window to why Tendulkar was pretty poor record against the Saffies.
    Yes Pollock indeed had something that always troubled Tendulkar. It could be also that Tendulkar played SA at some dire times in his career (not any excuse, but just a note). It isn't terrible by any standards

    Whoops didn't include ODIs.
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    Pollock has always had something over Sachin. Personally believe he bowled a better corridoor line against him than any other bowler.
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    Would be interested to see Vaas vs Fleming in ODIs in the 2 years before WC 2007.

    iirc Vaas got him a number of times for paltry amounts (possibly all LBW as well).

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