Qadir was better than Warne?

[silentstriker]

Normally, I like reading Karman Abbasi, but this blog entry just made me raise my eyebrows:

1. Warne was barely able to bowl a googly, Qadir had several.

What the heck? Warne could bowl a googly, and what does having or not having a single type of delivery have anything to do with being a better bowler? A bowler who can turn a ball more than Kumble does not mean he is better.

2. Umpires have become much more sympathetic towards legspinners over the last decade or so. Qadir had some of the plumbest decisions turned down for no better reason than the ball "might" spin. That rarely happens now and it makes the batsman's approach less sure and stay more uncomfortable.

Was too young in the eighties, so I can't speak to this.

3. Qadir had to battle the madness of Pakistan's cricket system and if Imran Khan had not supported him he might have been lost. Warne had the smartest cricket board behind him.

Again, what does have anything to do with how good of a bowler he is? Qadir might have had it harder, but that doesn't make him a better or worse bowler.

4. Warne played for the premier team of his age. Qadir began when Pakistan were nowhere and ended with Pakistan battling for the top spot.

5. Qadir had to bowl at the world's strongest batting team (West Indies), with great success too. Warne never had to.

Well, how did he do against the second best team in the world in Ashes 05 and 07? I really don't understand these lineups.

9. Scyld Berry, the incoming editor of Wisden Almanack: "It is impossible to believe that wrist-spin has ever been bowled better than Qadir did in his home city of Lahore in 1987-88, when he took 9 for 56 against England."

10. More from Scyld: "Graham Gooch, who faced him that day, said Qadir was even finer than Shane Warne, to whom he passed on the candle." Gooch faced both bowlers in their prime.

Again, even assuming he had one innings which (for the sake of argument) was the best innings ever bowled by a leg spinner...that alone does not make him a better spinner overall. Anyone can have a single great innings. Warne and Murali have both had countless.

Anyone else able to make any sense out of the article?

 

[LA ICE-E]

i kinda agree with some of his points

 

[Perm]

I read that the other day and to be honest, I thought it was an incredibly biased article written by Kamran Abbasi who seemed very unwilling to give Warne even the slightest of credit.

 

[Fusion]

I think Abbasi has it wrong. Warne is simply better, no matter what logical criteria is used to compare the two. I do believe that Qadir is massively under-rated though. He did keep the art alive almost single-handedly during his time. And like Abbasi points out, he had success against the best batting line-up of the day, which also happened to be part of the most dominating team of the era. Qadir deserves more accolades than he gets IMO, but he's not in Warne's league.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Qadir does seem massively under-rated, I find it hard to see that he was better than Warne though.

 

[Anil]

I think Abbasi has it wrong. Warne is simply better, no matter what logical criteria is used to compare the two. I do believe that Qadir is massively under-rated though. He did keep the art alive almost single-handedly during his time. And like Abbasi points out, he had success against the best batting line-up of the day, which also happened to be part of the most dominating team of the era. Qadir deserves more accolades than he gets IMO, but he's not in Warne's league.

completely agree...top post...

 

[grecian]

Qadir was a genius, but gave too many four-balls, probably in an attempt to bowl many different types of delivery. Warne always kept the pressure on batsmen, there's no way Qadir could have strangled a batting line-up in the same way Warne did at Adelaide, for instance.

 

[nightprowler10]

I think Abbasi has it wrong. Warne is simply better, no matter what logical criteria is used to compare the two. I do believe that Qadir is massively under-rated though. He did keep the art alive almost single-handedly during his time. And like Abbasi points out, he had success against the best batting line-up of the day, which also happened to be part of the most dominating team of the era. Qadir deserves more accolades than he gets IMO, but he's not in Warne's league.

Agreed with every word. Its a bit surprising article from Kamran Abbasi. Normally he talks a lot of sense.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Hmm, where's Kamran Abbasi from? Were the West Indies the best players of spin at the time?

 

[Slifer]

no they werent. But then again, Warne hasnt had much success against the best players of spin either (India). BTW Warne> Qadir

 

[Son Of Coco]

no they werent. But then again, Warne hasnt had much success against the best players of spin either (India). BTW Warne> Qadir

You're right, but player's on the subcontinent are generally better than elsewhere I'd imagine. I think it's a mute point anyway...I think Warne would be rated slightly higher.

 

[Stumped]

some yes, but warney was a better bowler

 

[ripper868]

Qadir was good, Warne was Great.

Fusion, gold post mate.

 

[AussieDominance]

This is absouletely diabolical Kamran Abbasi deserves to be shot.

 

[vic_orthdox]

This is absouletely diabolical Kamran Abbasi deserves to be shot.

Is there any need?

 

[AussieDominance]

Is there any need?

Just stating my opinion.

 

[Ikki]

What a load of crap. Abassi needs to see a shrink, he must have some bottled up issues.

 

[C_C]

This is absouletely diabolical Kamran Abbasi deserves to be shot.

Personally, i'd like to see the likes of you re-admitted to kindergarten- people who'd take such a tone as you have, especially when concerning a simple exercise of whacking a ball with a wooden stick need to be educated in the concept of 'priorities' and civility.
Your school and parents obviously missed a trick or two in this regard.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Personally, i'd like to see the likes of you re-admitted to kindergarten- people who'd take such a tone as you have, especially when concerning a simple exercise of whacking a ball with a wooden stick need to be educated in the concept of 'priorities' and civility.
Your school and parents obviously missed a trick or two in this regard.

Subtleties of leg-spin nailed by C_C right there.

 

[adharcric]

Some of the reactions in here are even more laughable than Abbasi's statement.