Mr Mxyzptlk
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So can batsmen, but seldom performing at a level worthy of consistent Test selection.shaka said:
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Who is the Best Left Arm Spinner in the World?
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shaka
International Regular
You do get some spinners who still perform even though they are close to retirement from all cricket, take a look at Carl Hooper who is still a contender for many wickets in England. Based on current form, one would have to say that Ashley is the best left arm spinner, but may change to Vettori if he does well against Australia.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Let's not make excuses for Vettori, because at times over the last 3 years he has not played well when he has really been required to.
The fact is..within his first 3 & a half years of test cricket he took 100 wickets..the next 4 years he has taken only 58.
Something went horribly wrong. I think he is too good a talent to be written off. He's only 25 & I think with added responsibility as a senior player these days..he'll deliver sooner rather than later.
The fact is..within his first 3 & a half years of test cricket he took 100 wickets..the next 4 years he has taken only 58.
Something went horribly wrong. I think he is too good a talent to be written off. He's only 25 & I think with added responsibility as a senior player these days..he'll deliver sooner rather than later.
He is very frustrating. What is more annoying is NZ's media not seeing Vettori's recent performaces for what they were. He is often referred to as a 'match winner' and Fleming brings him on in situations that you would expect a match winner to bowl, but he rarely delivers.
He should of been dropped by now, he was living on reputation alone before the last test. What is more frustrating is Vettori being groomed as the next captain, which pretty much guarantees his place in the team.
Him performing against Bangladesh is all good and well. However if he goes back to his recent form against Australia and Sri Lanka (let's face it - he'll be picked even if he bowls poorly against the Aussies), he *has* to be dropped. He's obviously not injured since he is playing, and he changed his action a long time ago. There are just no excuses for him anymore.
He should of been dropped by now, he was living on reputation alone before the last test. What is more frustrating is Vettori being groomed as the next captain, which pretty much guarantees his place in the team.
Him performing against Bangladesh is all good and well. However if he goes back to his recent form against Australia and Sri Lanka (let's face it - he'll be picked even if he bowls poorly against the Aussies), he *has* to be dropped. He's obviously not injured since he is playing, and he changed his action a long time ago. There are just no excuses for him anymore.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Playing a spinner for the sake of it is not good enough. Variety is nothing if there is not much quality in it. I think Vettori has not been the same bowler since he changed his action. He has become more of a stock bowler than a wicket taker.
tooextracool
International Coach
well as someone mentioned above, vettori is apparently the best spinner in the country. add that to the fact that he is developing into a decent batsman suggests that he deserves his place in the squad until they can find a better spinner.Macka said:
In my opinion Bruce Martin deserves a go in tests. Saying Vettori is the best spinner in NZ isn't saying much, plus I think Martin could be a lot better, it's just difficult to tell without him getting chances. He is injured at the moment anyway.
We need wickets form Vettori, not runs
We need wickets form Vettori, not runs
tooextracool
International Coach
oh it doesnt say much, but it definetly says enough. i wouldnt even think of going in with an all pace attack with the current NZ pacers,especially if a pitch ends up being a turner.
most people who've suggested bruce martin almost already believe that he isnt going to be too much better than vettori, and i think vettori with the bat more than makes up for whatever the difference there maybe between them. of course ive never watched bruce martin bowl so this is just an assumption.
most people who've suggested bruce martin almost already believe that he isnt going to be too much better than vettori, and i think vettori with the bat more than makes up for whatever the difference there maybe between them. of course ive never watched bruce martin bowl so this is just an assumption.
Andre
International Regular
From what I've been told, he is just playing grade and still performing quite well.Craig said:
But he did his ankle at the SCG in 1998 sliding into the fence - didn't play much for Australia after that, then did his knee in the 2001-02 pre-season and came back in an unfit manner. When Wayne Phillips was appointed SA coach he wasn't offered a playing contract for 2003/04 - at this stage from what I can see he is well behind Dan Cullen and John Davison for a first-class berth.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
I dont think that Giles was a much different bowler two years ago. He just had a skipper who did not use him as an attacking bowler. If Vaughan used him to "attack" outside the leg stump from over the wicket to right handers, he would appear as the same ineffective bowler that he did under Nasser.shaka said:
Vettori on the other hand has nothing wrong with his/his captains tactics or line of attack. His problem is more basic. He just doesnt have 'bite' in his bowling and is not going to have it with his grip of the ball as it is at present, which does not allow much 'work' to be imparted to the ball.
