The 90s and 00s banlisted draft thread

[Matt79]

Healy is a true Great IMO. And De Silva, Boon, or Gooch would massively strengthen the batting of any of the teams in the draft.

 

[stephen]

Healy is a true Great IMO. And De Silva, Boon, or Gooch would massively strengthen the batting of any of the teams in the draft.

I just hope he gets picked as a keeper ahead of Sanga in this draft. I'm tired of seeing people pick sub par keepers for their draft sides just because they kept wicket for a small portion of their career.

Last draft I was in I picked Walcott as a pure batsman and Healy as my keeper for that reason.

 

[Matt79]

Yeah, ****s me to. Someone took Kanhai as a keeper as well in a recent one. Walcott always gets abused that way.

 

[stephen]

Yeah, ****s me to. Someone took Kanhai as a keeper as well in a recent one. Walcott always gets abused that way.

It's probably partially a reaction to the batting strength Gilchrist gives to anyone that picks him. But I am always left thinking that an all time great bowling attack with an ordinary keeper is going to end in frustration.

 

[Shri]

Would have loved to pick Warne. Adds batting depth and gives me a second spinner. Guess I have to pick Alan Donald now. Left a bowlers spot open as soon as I saw that I got the 4th slot in the round 10 draft.

1.
2. Phil Jaques
3. Daryll Cullinan
4. Damien Martyn
5. Andrew Symonds
6. MS Dhoni
7. Daniel Vettori
8. Fanie de Villiers
9. Javagal Srinath
10. Makhaya Ntini
11. Alan Donald

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah, ****s me to. Someone took Kanhai as a keeper as well in a recent one. Walcott always gets abused that way.

I took good care of him, honest

 

[Furball]

I just hope he gets picked as a keeper ahead of Sanga in this draft. I'm tired of seeing people pick sub par keepers for their draft sides just because they kept wicket for a small portion of their career.

Last draft I was in I picked Walcott as a pure batsman and Healy as my keeper for that reason.

I'll probably end up with Dilshan keeping wicket, but I couldn't guarantee the players I wanted in the banned list so he's sort of a safety net.

 

[bunny]

It's probably partially a reaction to the batting strength Gilchrist gives to anyone that picks him. But I am always left thinking that an all time great bowling attack with an ordinary keeper is going to end in frustration.

Probably tells you that keeping tends to be an overrated skill. Nobody picks great batsmen depending on how good they field in slips or short leg, why would somebody take a Healy over Sangakara then?

 

[Furball]

Also, I'm not sold on the theory that Sangakkara isn't a good wicketkeeper.

 

[BoyBrumby]

As much as I love Brian Charles, Sachin's off spin (& leg spin) might be the only slow option I have, so

Sachin Tendulkar,

please.

1) DL Haynes RHB (2147 runs @ 44.72)
2) NS Sidhu RHB (2517 runs @ 44.94)
3) SR Tendulkar RHB; OS/LB (12755 runs @ 55.21; 44 wickets @ 51.65)
4) Mahela Jayawardene* RHB; RM (9120 runs @ 53.96; 6 wickets @ 48.66)
5) MEK Hussey LHB; RM (3453 runs @ 52.31; 2 wickets @ 51.50)
6) AJ Stewart + RHB (8463 runs @ 39.54; 263 catches, 14 stumpings)
7) BM McMillan RHB; RFM (1968 runs @ 39.36; 75 wickets @ 33.82)
8) PR Reiffel RHB; RFM (104 wickets @ 26.96; 955 runs @ 26.52)
9)
10) SP Jones LHB; RF (59 wickets @ 28.23; 205 runs @ 15.76)
11) Shoaib Ahktar RHB; RF (178 wickets @ 25.69; 544 runs @ 10.07)

 

[Matt79]

It's funny, was very focused on getting a top drawer bowler, so didn't really pause to think I was passing up the chance to have Sachin or Lara in my team. Was the right call for me IMO, but still.

 

[stephen]

Which leaves me with a decision to make between Waugh and Lara.

I think that I will choose Brian Lara as my current batting lineup is missing a little flair in the middle order with Chanders and Tillakeratne.

 

[stephen]

Probably tells you that keeping tends to be an overrated skill. Nobody picks great batsmen depending on how good they field in slips or short leg, why would somebody take a Healy over Sangakara then?

DWTA.

A batting average difference of around 10 as keeper is pretty inconsequential to be honest. A great keeper will probably save that in byes that a good keeper wouldn't. Not only that, but a dropped catch can turn the match and the most likely player by far to have a catch come their way is the keeper.

I would go the other way and say that it's a highly underrated skill. Most batsmen/keepers have a batting average differential of 15-20 when they're wearing the gloves anyway so for someone like Sanga or Walcott you're better off picking a keeper with a batting average of ~30 and play them as a batsman anyway.

Gilchrist and Flower really are the two exceptions to this rule, though Flower's keeping was nowhere near all time great status.

 

[bunny]

DWTA.

A batting average difference of around 10 as keeper is pretty inconsequential to be honest. A great keeper will probably save that in byes that a good keeper wouldn't. Not only that, but a dropped catch can turn the match and the most likely player by far to have a catch come their way is the keeper.

I would go the other way and say that it's a highly underrated skill. Most batsmen/keepers have a batting average differential of 15-20 when they're wearing the gloves anyway so for someone like Sanga or Walcott you're better off picking a keeper with a batting average of ~30 and play them as a batsman anyway.

Gilchrist and Flower really are the two exceptions to this rule, though Flower's keeping was nowhere near all time great status.

Tell me this. Would you pick M Waugh over S Waugh because the former was clearly a better catcher?

 

[Matt79]

Yeah, but what proportion of catches go to the keeper, compared to second slip? Let alone the runs conceded as byes? Selecting a keeper solely for their batting is as foolish as selecting a bowler solely for their batting ability.

 

[bunny]

Yeah, but what proportion of catches go to the keeper, compared to second slip? Let alone the runs conceded as byes? Selecting a keeper solely for their batting is as foolish as selecting a bowler solely for their batting ability.

No I am not saying one should select a keeper based on batting ability.
i) Regarding byes it doesnt make that much of a difference in a match unless the number of runs conceded exceeds 20 or so. How many test matches are decided by the margin of 20 runs?
How many matches do you think have been decided by byes?

ii) Basically one needs to estimate the number of catches that Healy would catch and Sangakkara would drop, and then see how many runs the batsmen ended up scoring. I am not at all convinced it's so substantial that Healy should replace Sangakkara.

I sure wouldnt want Dravid or maybe even Prior/Akmal as my keeper. But I am not convinced I would pick Healy over Sangakkara.

 

[marc71178]

Tell me this. Would you pick M Waugh over S Waugh because the former was clearly a better catcher?

No, because that's not their primary role in the team.

A wicket-keeper is a specialist position, like a spin bowler is. By your theory we should always pick someone like Ashley Giles over Murali,

 

[bunny]

No, because that's not their primary role in the team.

A wicket-keeper is a specialist position, like a spin bowler is. By your theory we should always pick someone like Ashley Giles over Murali,

I dont see the logic how WK vs batting skills have been transformed to bowling vs batting skills.
I am trying to debate here how many tough catches Healy takes that Sangakkara would drop.
Without a great WK, a great bowler would easily manage to get wickets. Without a great bowler, a great WK would almost never exist.

 

[Matt79]

No I am not saying one should select a keeper based on batting ability.
i) Regarding byes it doesnt make that much of a difference in a match unless the number of runs conceded exceeds 20 or so. How many test matches are decided by the margin of 20 runs?
How many matches do you think have been decided by byes?

ii) Basically one needs to estimate the number of catches that Healy would catch and Sangakkara would drop, and then see how many runs the batsmen ended up scoring. I am not at all convinced it's so substantial that Healy should replace Sangakkara.

I sure wouldnt want Dravid or maybe even Prior/Akmal as my keeper. But I am not convinced I would pick Healy over Sangakkara.

Even though Sangers only averaged mid thirties with the bat when keeping cf. Healy's high 20s? Anyway, Sangakkara is not the worst example of this - he at least kept and kept pretty well in many tests.

EDIT: Ignore this point re: Sangers, I recalled the figures wrong. He averages 39 against non-minnow opponents when keeping wicket.

 

[Blakus]

Steve Waugh it is then. Slots in nicely at number 5.