TheJediBrah
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Could he get near Paul Reiffel-level?
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Shakib Al Hasan vs The Great All Rounders
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srbhkshk
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nah, he averages 32 in bowling, certainly not going to bowl at 20 for the next 7-8 years...
smash84
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Botham was a very good bowler for the first half of his career. I don't think Shakib's career so far is a match for Botham's first half.
harsh.ag
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Tbf Faulkner's 26 translates to around 30 today.
srbhkshk
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then his batting should be considered 48...
SillyCowCorner1
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For a guy who had to carry his team on his back for most of his career, he is in a class all by himself. There's relative stress and then there is relative stress. Guys like Kallis, Imran, Kapil, Botham..., all had a good(or somewhat good) team to add to the outcome of the game. I'm just saying that Shakib's has been the most difficult. Like it or not, it is worth noting. This guy actually been to hell and back. He is an enigma.
I don't think it's fair to compare him to any of the great allrounders of the past. Shakib is in his own class- that is Shakib-esque.
I don't think it's fair to compare him to any of the great allrounders of the past. Shakib is in his own class- that is Shakib-esque.
smash84
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Sure, nobody is saying Shakib is ****. It's just that he is nowhere in the bowling class of Imran or Hadlee and neither Botham nor Kapil. He is arguably a better batsman than all of them but that too is arguable and he is marginally better. He isn't anything like Sobers or Kallis in batting.
Edit: Didn't read your last line before. So what good is the shakib-esque class? You can put every single player who ever played into their own class. Have 10,000 classes of their own. What's the fun in that?
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SillyCowCorner1
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Read the opening sentence.
cnerd123
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I think Shakib raising his batting to a level where he is amongst the best in the world is more possible than him raising his bowling to that
He's always been one of the best finger spinners going around, but that's just a limited style of bowling that won't be effective in all conditions at International level. The other great ATG all-rounders have all been quick bowlers with the odd legspinner (Faulkner, Benaud, Sobers)
He's always been one of the best finger spinners going around, but that's just a limited style of bowling that won't be effective in all conditions at International level. The other great ATG all-rounders have all been quick bowlers with the odd legspinner (Faulkner, Benaud, Sobers)
cnerd123
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What about now Burgey?
Starfighter
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I think Australia still counts as 'mediocre opposition', especially on a turning track.
smash84
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Even then I can't see shakib being atg in batting.
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Not after the way they played in India imo.
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astaghfirullah
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I dunno, he used to have a bit more flight early on, it's only the second half of his career that he's been a somewhat limited (although effective) darter
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He bowled well, but I think he's a better bat than bowler tbh. I don't see anything in his bowling which suggests to me he's really that flash, but I'm happy to put up my hand and say I have such a terrible bias against finger spinners in general that my judgment on that is clouded.
I thought from what I saw that he bowled better first innings than second, but I just don't think there's much to what he does. Basically bowls Allan Border level left arm offies (ie elite).
Full credit to the bloke for what he's done in his career, he's plainly the best cricketer Bangladesh has produced by miles.
In relation to where he sits with current players, I'd say he's a better batsman by miles than other all rounders apart from Stokes (assuming blokes like Ashwin are considered all rounders - they aren't, he's as much an all rounder as Brett Lee or Warne were). His bowling I reckon is better than Stokes, MMarsh and on par probably with Jadeja, but not up with Ashwin.
Mind you, as I said before I just don't rate finger spinners that much. I think they're far more conditions-dependent than other types of bowling. I just tend to treat them with the blanket disdain I usually reserve for an Ikki post in the American Politics thread. I know that's not fair but it's my POV.
Finger spinners are an awful scourge on cricket, so allowing for my inherent bias against his type of bowling, he's probably really good!
Anyway, apologies for the long post. I'm at home crook and dosed to the eyeballs on Endone. Come at me, ****.