Richie Richardson played 74 of his 224 ODIs in Australia (only 48 in the West Indies)

[flibbertyjibber]

England played a lot less ODers than other teams in the 90s, and probably 80s, and I suspect they really didn't play that many at home, so there's probably some England players who played as many ODers in Aus as they did in Eng.

Pakistan were also on the WSC loop a fair bit in the 80s, so someone like Imran who finished in the 1992 WC might have a close to equal breakdown between home and Australia, but nothing like the West Indies guys, who by far played fewer games at home in the 70s and 80s: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1992;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

games in aus until the end of the 92 wc: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1992;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

We would play 3 matches in the Texaco Trophy before a test series and that was it. When you consider Australia and the others would play about 10 matches each year in the WSC if they reached the final then is it any wonder some of the teams have mad home v away stats if they were regulars in WSC.

 

[quincywagstaff]

From January 1984 to March 1985, the West Indies played 30 ODIs in Australia.

The final one of these was a 'Plate Final' for the World Championship of Cricket.

 

[quincywagstaff]

yeah it's crazy isn't it. They came out here for 8 summers between 84-96. It'd weird to remember that they were the legit main attraction of cricket for a while, probably even ashes series took a backseat to WI-Aus series in the 80s? maybe?

Yeah, pretty much. Even the 1996/97 series had enormous prestige to it even though they were in serious decline by then.

That was all killed off by their horror tour of 00/01 and the process of India becoming a major drawcard in Australia was enhanced significantly by the classic 2001 series.

 

[quincywagstaff]

A couple of other examples outside the West Indies.

Ewen Chatfield played 49 of his 114 ODIs in Australia (only 28 in NZ).

Qasim Omar played 19 of his 31 ODIs in Australia (just 3 in Pakistan).

 

[SteveNZ]

He fails on the "substantial career" qualifier in international terms, but Martin Donnelly played all 7 of his tests in England over 2 tours separated by 12 years and a world war.

Probably noteworthy that he only played 13 of his 131 first class games in NZ too. & played rugby union for England.

I never knew Donnelly played rugby, least of all for England, amazing

 

[stephen]

Yeah, pretty much. Even the 1996/97 series had enormous prestige to it even though they were in serious decline by then.

That was all killed off by their horror tour of 00/01 and the process of India becoming a major drawcard in Australia was enhanced significantly by the classic 2001 series.

It's incredible how completely that 00/01 series trashed the reputation of the West Indies in Australia. They were so utterly humiliated that it was the last time a side other than England got 5 tests. Not only that but they've rarely been back since (maybe two or three times at most) and when they have, crowds have been poor.

It's a real shame and is largely why the "does cricket need a strong West Indies" type threads used to come up all the time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's incredible how completely that 00/01 series trashed the reputation of the West Indies in Australia. They were so utterly humiliated that it was the last time a side other than England got 5 tests. Not only that but they've rarely been back since (maybe two or three times at most) and when they have, crowds have been poor.

It's a real shame and is largely why the "does cricket need a strong West Indies" type threads used to come up all the time.

Didn't help that Zimbabwe were the other team that year

 

[mr_mister]

What a difference an in form Lara and an active Ambrose 2 years earlier in the 99 series made

from 2-2 to 5-0 in a 2 year turnaround. crazy stuff really as there was a lot of important player overlap other then Ambrose


edit - and actually stephen, other than England and West Indies have any other sides had 5 tests out here?

 

[TheJediBrah]

What a difference an in form Lara and an active Ambrose 2 years earlier in the 99 series made

from 2-2 to 5-0 in a 2 year turnaround. crazy stuff really as there was a lot of important player overlap other then Ambrose


edit - and actually stephen, other than England and West Indies have any other sides had 5 tests out here?

Home v away would have made a difference between 99 and 00-01. Even since then WI have been much more competitive at home.

 

[mr_mister]

yeah true. and after i posted it i realised ashes series produce those kind of crazy gaps in quality all the time. we just had a a 4-0 turnaround to a 2-2 performance in the last 2 that were played haha.

 

[TheJediBrah]

yeah true. and after i posted it i realised ashes series produce those kind of crazy gaps in quality all the time. we just had a a 4-0 turnaround to a 2-2 performance in the last 2 that were played haha.

Indeed. 05 v 06/07 Ashes were less than 2 years apart and the teams were barely changed.

 

[tony p]

Test cricket wise, Percy Mansell, A South African allrounder of the 1950s, played all his 13 Tests outside of S.A., which is the most i can find.

Jack Hobbs started his Test Career by only playing 9 Tests at home from his first 33 Tests that he played. 18 of his Last 28 Tests were at home.

 

[Shady Slim]

if bangladesh were touring aus-nz-eng-sa more then you'd see something like that with bangladesh pacers but alas they do not

wondering what those guys like sok would get as their splits if they'd had longer careers; it seems that teams are moving to be smarter with horses for courses selections over the past decade (or at the very least trying to get funky with it tbh) so we could well see more of these guys playing more tests away in the near future

 

[andruid]

What a difference an in form Lara and an active Ambrose 2 years earlier in the 99 series made

from 2-2 to 5-0 in a 2 year turnaround. crazy stuff really as there was a lot of important player overlap other then Ambrose


edit - and actually stephen, other than England and West Indies have any other sides had 5 tests out here?

Steve Waugh's retirement series v. India was 5 matches, wasn't it?

 

[honestbharani]

nope.. it was 4. I guess India Australia series are forever now 4 tests either way.

 

[stephen]

What a difference an in form Lara and an active Ambrose 2 years earlier in the 99 series made

from 2-2 to 5-0 in a 2 year turnaround. crazy stuff really as there was a lot of important player overlap other then Ambrose


edit - and actually stephen, other than England and West Indies have any other sides had 5 tests out here?

A long time ago, pre-isolation I'm certain there were 5 test series' vs South Africa.

But it just goes to show that the Aus-Eng rivalry was much more of a blood feud than Aus-WI. The latter was something fans loved, but only when the WI were a significant challenge.

 

[Victor Ian]

With regards to South Africa and New Zealand there is also the competing summers thing that would account for them not being 5 tests. So, West Indies and England are the only large draw cards to have warranted 5 test series. I'm really dirty that India has not been given 5 test series out here. They are the new drawcard that easily deserves 5 test series.

 

[AndrewB]

Test cricket wise, Percy Mansell, A South African allrounder of the 1950s, played all his 13 Tests outside of S.A., which is the most i can find.

The most is 15 by Billy Bates (all in Australia), followed by Jaspit Bumrah (currently) and Frederick Fane on 14. Mansell is the only other to play more than 10 Tests away without any at home.

(This is of course excluding various Pakistan players who've only played "home" Tests in UAE - Sarfraz Ahmed has played 29 away Tests, 20 in UAE and none at home).

 

[quincywagstaff]

What a difference an in form Lara and an active Ambrose 2 years earlier in the 99 series made

from 2-2 to 5-0 in a 2 year turnaround. crazy stuff really as there was a lot of important player overlap other then Ambrose


edit - and actually stephen, other than England and West Indies have any other sides had 5 tests out here?

India had a 5 Test series in 1991/92, Pakistan had a 5 Test series in 1983/84.

Pretty sure SA have never had more than a 4 Test series here. NZ & SL have never had more than a 3 Test series. Bangladesh & Zimbabwe only had a two Test series each over 15 years ago.

Should add England had 6 Test series in 70/71, 74/75 & 78/79 while the West Indies had one of those in 75/76.

 

[AndrewB]

Here's all the 5-Test non-Ashes series in Australia:

South Africa: 1910-1, 1931-2, 1952-3, 1963-4
West Indies: 1930-1, 1951-2, 1960-1, 1968-9, 1984-5, 1988-9, 1992-3, 1996-7, 2000-1 (plus the 6-Test series in 1975-6)
India: 1947-8, 1977-8, 1991-2
Pakistan: 1983-4

The only 4-Test series in Australia are v India in 1967-8, 2003-4, 2007-8, 2011-2, 2014-5 and 2018-9