Ranking the candidates for best fast/pace bowler ever: The Rankings thread

[OverratedSanity]

Good stuff mr_mister. Nice writeups.

 

[cnerd123]

Solid work Mr. Mister

 

[trundler]

Yeah I've been checking this thread periodically, looking forward to each write up. Great job. Looking forward to the spin bowling one.

 

[Burgey]

Great thread. Well done mate.
- Burgey

 

[Bolo]

The top 5 is really interesting. Hadlee, Ambrose and Steyn are super close. Steyn takes a knock from 3 ninth place finishes (why?), Hadlee takes a knock from a 17th place finish (*?*), and Ambrose seems to be more consistent, putting him just ahead.

Fair jump up to Mcgrath, in spite of a more than questionable 15th- almost everyone has him top 5.

Huge jump up to Marshall. We would expect him to win, but maybe not by this margin. 2/3 people voted him at one and lowest place of 4th.

I don't like all the votes that contributed to the order of the top 5, but there's nothing to complain about. Solid results.

Great thread, thanks MM.

 

[stephen]

Top thread. Great work.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Expecting similar threads for odi bats/bowlers

 

[stephen]

I ran a different contest a few years ago back when I had more time:

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...owler-survival-grand-final-2.html#post2645534

It's interesting to compare the stocks of some of the bowlers. Steyn (for obvious reasons) had risen the fastest and hardest. The Pakistani quicks have had the shine taken off and McGrath, Ambrose and Hadlee have been swapped around like deck chairs on the titanic.

 

[AbortedNinja]

You shouldn't be allowed to vote on anyone you didn't watch live.

 

[Slifer]

There isn't really anything that separates McGrath and Marshall though it was fairly obvious he'd end up #2.
Marshall #1 is well deserved and probably the least contention on this least for me.

Interesting how Ambrose wasn't voted outside the top 10 by anyone but Hadlee and McGrath were. 2 lobotomies are in order.

Lmao. Awta

 

[bagapath]

thanks to everyone who submitted a list and to everyone who gave nice feedback in this thread. It was fun doing it and I'll do a spin bowling one soon

Start now Mr Mister

Thanks for running this. It was great fun

 

[TheJediBrah]

We may have had our issues with "Mr M's" on the forum lately but this one is always on the money

 

[Bolo]

You shouldn't be allowed to vote on anyone you didn't watch live.

Except for Wasim. You should only be able to vote on him if you havent seen him live

 

[smash84]

Well done MrMr, great thread to follow. I quite enjoyed it. At one point decides to send on my list as well but was too lazy about it

 

[ankitj]

That would be jimmy101. You know, the person who said Coronis should be shot in front of his parents for ranking Holding 20th.

If that list was more reasonable, Hadlee would've been #2 or #3. Shows how sensitive such ranking exercises are to outlier ranking.

 

[Logan]

If that list was more reasonable, Hadlee would've been #2 or #3. Shows how sensitive such ranking exercises are to outlier ranking.

Most ATG lists are often subjective. I wouldn’t hesitate to place Steyn over Ambrose and Hadlee in Tests. Dale Steyn played in a much tougher era for fast bowlers. Even in this list, there are half a dozen bowlers from the Top 15 who bowled in the same period as Hadlee. On the other hand, Dale Steyn is probably the only bowler who can claim to be an ATG in his era. There isn’t a single fast bowler in this list that was peerless like Steyn was. Dale Steyn also broke Hadlee’s record for fastest to 400 wickets by a mind-boggling 3600 balls. Hadlee was an all time great and Steyn destroying his record showed how devastating he was.

 

[a massive zebra]

Great job, Mr_Mister. Your enthusiastic and conscientious contributions inspire interesting debate and add real value to the forum.

 

[Slifer]

Most ATG lists are often subjective. I wouldn’t hesitate to place Steyn over Ambrose and Hadlee in Tests. Dale Steyn played in a much tougher era for fast bowlers. Even in this list, there are half a dozen bowlers from the Top 15 who bowled in the same period as Hadlee. On the other hand, Dale Steyn is probably the only bowler who can claim to be an ATG in his era. There isn’t a single fast bowler in this list that was peerless like Steyn was. Dale Steyn also broke Hadlee’s record for fastest to 400 wickets by a mind-boggling 3600 balls. Hadlee was an all time great and Steyn destroying his record showed how devastating he was.

That's all good and well but in exercises like this, especially among atg it just comes down to personal choice of and to a lesser extent minor differences in stats. Steyn being the standout quick of our time is awesome and all but there's nothing to say that if guys like Hadlee had played in the same rsa side, they wouldnt havevdone just as well. And vice versa, nobody knows how steyn would've done in NZ in the 80s. I for one can't imagine anyone doing much better than hadlee. With Amby, he was just too devastating vs the best team against fast bowling of his time.

 

[Engle]

Great work Mister Mister. Excellent write-ups, detail, summarizations, pictures. Bravo !

 

[Logan]

That's all good and well but in exercises like this, especially among atg it just comes down to personal choice of and to a lesser extent minor differences in stats. Steyn being the standout quick of our time is awesome and all but there's nothing to say that if guys like Hadlee had played in the same rsa side, they wouldnt havevdone just as well. And vice versa, nobody knows how steyn would've done in NZ in the 80s. I for one can't imagine anyone doing much better than hadlee. With Amby, he was just too devastating vs the best team against fast bowling of his time.

Dale Steyn has the best strike rate in Test cricket even though he played in the toughest era of fast bowlers. I am sure he would have excelled in the 70s/80s/90s when there were around half a dozen ATG bowlers and conditions were much better for fast bowlers.