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Rahul Dravid's overseas performance : A gaping hole in the Wall

Toaster

Cricket Spectator
Rahul Dravid is popularly known as The Wall, a man who had an impenetrable defence and dogged determination. No doubt he was a fantastic batsman and an Indian great, but he had many chinks in his armour which makes me doubt the sobriquet.

Dravid has been one of the mainstays of the Indian batting lineup, bailed us out from some tough situations and played some matchwinning innings overseas. He was neither the best against the good attacks, nor a bankable man in tough ardous overseas conditions but somehow the perception that Dravid is a better test batsman than Sachin is fixed in the minds of most people. Dravid had a long career from 1996 to 2012 and throught his career, the toughest places to bat were South Africa, Australia, England and Sri Lanka( Excluded New Zealand because they never had a world class attack barring 2002).

Rahul Dravid was highly successful in England, scoring 1376 runs at an average of 68.80 over 4 tours. But he fared poorly in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka. He did have success in 2003-04 tour in the absence of Mcgrath and Warne but failed badly in the other 3 tours.

Dravid in Toughest Condition: -
SA (624 runs in 11 matches at 29.71)
AUS(1166 runs in 16 matches at 41.64)
SL(662 runs in 12 matches at 33.71)

The numbers are atrocious in South Africa and Sri Lanka and decent in Sri Lanka. If we take away the 2003-04 series in Australia, he scored 547 runs at 23.78.

This is how Dravid's contemporaries fared in South Africa during 1996-2012.

Tendulkar(959 runs at 50.47 in 11 matches)
Laxman(566 runs at 40.42 in 10 matches)
Ganguly(506 runs at 36.14 in 8 matches)
Dravid(624 runs at 29.71 in 11 matches)
Sehwag(382 runs at 25.46 in 8 matches)

The above list clearly shows how poor Dravid was in SA. Even Ganguly, with all his problems against genuine pace bowling was ahead. (Tendulkar though averages 46.44 overall).

Indian batsman in Sri Lanka(1996-2012)

Sehwag(692 runs at 69.2 in 6 matches)
Tendulkar(952 runs at 63.46 in 9 matches)
Laxman(530 runs at 48.18 in 7 matches)
Ganguly(588 runs at 36.75 in 9 matches)
Dravid(662 runs at 33.1 in 12 matches)

Here also, he ends up at the bottom among the Fav 5.

Indian batsman in Australia (1996-2012)

Tendulkar(1441 runs at 55.42 in 15 matches)
Sehwag(1031 runs at 46.86 in 11 matches)
Laxman(1236 runs at 44.14 in 15 matches)
Dravid(1166 runs at 41.64 in 16 matches)
Ganguly(696 runs at 34.8 in 11 matches)

Stats show that he was decent in Australia but he filled his boots in the 2003-04 series.
His performance in the above 3 countries clearly show that he was not the impenetrable wall as he is often made out to be.

If we combine the stats in these 3 countries, we find that Dravid had 2426 runs at 36.2 in 38 matches whereas Tendulkar leads the way with 3314 runs at 57.13 in 34 matches. Clearly, Tendulkar was head and shoulders above Dravid while Dravid failed against quality attacks. He also had a poor strike rate and found it difficult to score against these relentless attacks.

Dravid's performance against South Africa and Australia is also far from impressive(Excluded Lanka because they are poor travellers while Aus and Sa were the best visitors in India).

This is how Indian batsman fared against Aus and Sa at home: -

Azharuddin(848 runs at 70.66 in 8 matches)
Sehwag(1687 runs at 56.23 in 16 matches)
Sachin(2209 runs at 52.29 in 25 matches)
Laxman(1608 runs at 48.72 in 23 matches)
Dhoni(630 runs at 45.00 in 11 matches)
Gambhir(659 runs at 41.18 in 9 matches)
Dravid(1628 runs at 37 in 27 matches)
Ganguly(1148 runs at 33.76 in 22 matches)

Yet again, Dravid is at the bottom of the list. His average and SR speaks about his struggles against this great sides.

If we combine Aus and Sa both home and away, we find that Sachin has 4571 runs at 53.77 in 50 matches while Dravid has 3369 runs at 37.85 in 52 matches.

It is quite obvious by now that Tendulkar and Laxman maintaind there averges against the good sides and gave consistent performances while Dravid struggled both home and away though he did play some legendry innings. He simply lacked the consistency.

Most people are amazed by Dravid's strsight batted defence and media's image of the wall. As a result, they stereotype straight batted defence with success against great bowlers in hostile conditon(similar to pujara). Against great attacks in hostile conditions, a full range of strokes is required and Dravid was a limited batsman in terms of strokemaking. The likes of Tendulkar, Laxman and Sehwag were free flowing batsman and could get on top of this attacks. Dravid, on the contrary, depended on biding his time against the great bowlers to score off the lesser ones. Against teams with not so great attacks(Eng,Nz,Wi) it bore fruit. He would wait for the lesser bowlers to come on and capitalise on them. Against Australia and South Africa, and against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, this tactics failed. There was no such opportunity against lesser bowlers.

Hence, I can safely conclude that Dravid was a mediocre batsman against great attacks, and a great batsman against mediocre attacks. And Sachin Tendulkar is the best test batsman to come out of India.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Rather than hear about Rahul Dravid from Toaster, I would like to hear more about Rahul Dravid's toaster.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Toaster - small tip. When you join a new forum, don't use your first post to attack a respected figure. You can do that later. It's not a good start.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hence, I can safely conclude that Dravid was a mediocre batsman against great attacks, and a great batsman against mediocre attacks. And Sachin Tendulkar is the best test batsman to come out of India.
Do Gavaskar now
 

oblongballs

U19 Debutant
Who in their right mind thinks Dravid>Tendulkar?

Dravid was a terrific batsman he was not Tendulkar's quality, nor was he close to Ponting or Lara. But he was the last man standing time and time again against England, while everyone around him failed in that last tour. I remember watching him live at Lord's.
 

sumantra

U19 Cricketer
It seems Sri Lanka was considered "toughest condition" because Dravid did not do so well there...:) and his performance in England and New Zealand and West Indies ignored because he did pretty well ..., I include West Indies because he was India's highest scorer in his first trip to the Caribbean, averaging 72, and the bowlers were Ian Bishop, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose and also his 81* and 68* in Sabina Park in 2006 came under the toughest possible condition that I have seen in West Indies ever, similarly in that 2002-03 trip to New Zealand I can remember the toughest wickets ever in my life, for the first time in the history of cricket both the sides got all out below 100, and a test match finished in one and half days, and also probably a test match where not a single batsman from both sides scored a 50 (that must be a world record or something) Dravid's 39 was the highest score in that entire test match. Dravid was also the highest scorer in that series...Darrell Tuffey looked better that Richard Hadlee ever did in that series...and I am not even going to his performances in England, specially in that last series and that Headingley in 2002...anyone who believes that conditions in Sri Lanka for an Indian Batsman was tougher than those conditions in West Indies, New Zealand or England is a man on a mission...and any such case would surely depend on suppression and ignorance...
 
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Rahul Dravid is popularly known as The Wall, a man who had an impenetrable defence and dogged determination. No doubt he was a fantastic batsman and an Indian great, but he had many chinks in his armour which makes me doubt the sobriquet.

Dravid has been one of the mainstays of the Indian batting lineup, bailed us out from some tough situations and played some matchwinning innings overseas. He was neither the best against the good attacks, nor a bankable man in tough ardous overseas conditions but somehow the perception that Dravid is a better test batsman than Sachin is fixed in the minds of most people. Dravid had a long career from 1996 to 2012 and throught his career, the toughest places to bat were South Africa, Australia, England and Sri Lanka( Excluded New Zealand because they never had a world class attack barring 2002).

Rahul Dravid was highly successful in England, scoring 1376 runs at an average of 68.80 over 4 tours. But he fared poorly in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka. He did have success in 2003-04 tour in the absence of Mcgrath and Warne but failed badly in the other 3 tours.

Dravid in Toughest Condition: -
SA (624 runs in 11 matches at 29.71)
AUS(1166 runs in 16 matches at 41.64)
SL(662 runs in 12 matches at 33.71)

The numbers are atrocious in South Africa and Sri Lanka and decent in Sri Lanka. If we take away the 2003-04 series in Australia, he scored 547 runs at 23.78.

This is how Dravid's contemporaries fared in South Africa during 1996-2012.

Tendulkar(959 runs at 50.47 in 11 matches)
Laxman(566 runs at 40.42 in 10 matches)
Ganguly(506 runs at 36.14 in 8 matches)
Dravid(624 runs at 29.71 in 11 matches)
Sehwag(382 runs at 25.46 in 8 matches)

The above list clearly shows how poor Dravid was in SA. Even Ganguly, with all his problems against genuine pace bowling was ahead. (Tendulkar though averages 46.44 overall).

Indian batsman in Sri Lanka(1996-2012)

Sehwag(692 runs at 69.2 in 6 matches)
Tendulkar(952 runs at 63.46 in 9 matches)
Laxman(530 runs at 48.18 in 7 matches)
Ganguly(588 runs at 36.75 in 9 matches)
Dravid(662 runs at 33.1 in 12 matches)

Here also, he ends up at the bottom among the Fav 5.

Indian batsman in Australia (1996-2012)

Tendulkar(1441 runs at 55.42 in 15 matches)
Sehwag(1031 runs at 46.86 in 11 matches)
Laxman(1236 runs at 44.14 in 15 matches)
Dravid(1166 runs at 41.64 in 16 matches)
Ganguly(696 runs at 34.8 in 11 matches)

Stats show that he was decent in Australia but he filled his boots in the 2003-04 series.
His performance in the above 3 countries clearly show that he was not the impenetrable wall as he is often made out to be.

If we combine the stats in these 3 countries, we find that Dravid had 2426 runs at 36.2 in 38 matches whereas Tendulkar leads the way with 3314 runs at 57.13 in 34 matches. Clearly, Tendulkar was head and shoulders above Dravid while Dravid failed against quality attacks. He also had a poor strike rate and found it difficult to score against these relentless attacks.

Dravid's performance against South Africa and Australia is also far from impressive(Excluded Lanka because they are poor travellers while Aus and Sa were the best visitors in India).

This is how Indian batsman fared against Aus and Sa at home: -

Azharuddin(848 runs at 70.66 in 8 matches)
Sehwag(1687 runs at 56.23 in 16 matches)
Sachin(2209 runs at 52.29 in 25 matches)
Laxman(1608 runs at 48.72 in 23 matches)
Dhoni(630 runs at 45.00 in 11 matches)
Gambhir(659 runs at 41.18 in 9 matches)
Dravid(1628 runs at 37 in 27 matches)
Ganguly(1148 runs at 33.76 in 22 matches)

Yet again, Dravid is at the bottom of the list. His average and SR speaks about his struggles against this great sides.

If we combine Aus and Sa both home and away, we find that Sachin has 4571 runs at 53.77 in 50 matches while Dravid has 3369 runs at 37.85 in 52 matches.

It is quite obvious by now that Tendulkar and Laxman maintaind there averges against the good sides and gave consistent performances while Dravid struggled both home and away though he did play some legendry innings. He simply lacked the consistency.

Most people are amazed by Dravid's strsight batted defence and media's image of the wall. As a result, they stereotype straight batted defence with success against great bowlers in hostile conditon(similar to pujara). Against great attacks in hostile conditions, a full range of strokes is required and Dravid was a limited batsman in terms of strokemaking. The likes of Tendulkar, Laxman and Sehwag were free flowing batsman and could get on top of this attacks. Dravid, on the contrary, depended on biding his time against the great bowlers to score off the lesser ones. Against teams with not so great attacks(Eng,Nz,Wi) it bore fruit. He would wait for the lesser bowlers to come on and capitalise on them. Against Australia and South Africa, and against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, this tactics failed. There was no such opportunity against lesser bowlers.

Hence, I can safely conclude that Dravid was a mediocre batsman against great attacks, and a great batsman against mediocre attacks. And Sachin Tendulkar is the best test batsman to come out of India.
 

OverratedSanity

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Also Dravid's average isn't good in SA and Sri Lanka but he failed against the likes of Ntini/Nel/Hayward and instead had his best series when he was our top scorer against Donald/Pollock in 97 when he was just a baby: Similarly, he trumped Murali in Kandy in 2001 when Murali was on a ridiculous run of form, taking 10fers basically every week, and won us the game on a turning last day track. So to say lol average low in x country therefore he failed when it was tough = extremely dumb.
 

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Dravid was at his peak between 2001 to 2006 and looked nearly invincible in all types of conditions (bounce, pace, swing, turn etc.). Apart from England 2011, outside of his peak, he didn't have Sachin's consistency.
 

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Dravid was at his peak between 2001 to 2006 and looked nearly invincible in all types of conditions (bounce, pace, swing, turn etc.). Apart from England 2011, outside of his peak, he didn't have Sachin's consistency.
Dravid's technique wasn't perfect, he was troubled by extra bounce and couldn't get his strokeplay going when there was more carry.

And neither was Tendulkar's technique perfect. Imo, even though Tendulkar average overseas in every country is >40 and it looks good on cricinfo, it hides the fact that he had his own issues against medium paced swing at times. I don't think it's a coincidence that he struggled against Anderson at times and Asif, despite being amazing vs Steyn because a good inswinger caused him problems. The fact that Steyn didn't have one is what enabled him in that 146 at Capetown to repeatedly flick Steyn off middle whenever he tried to get one straighter... but whenever he used to try that against Anderson he'd be pinned in front.

It just doesn't show up on cricinfo's breakdown so people assume he was perfect. OP's analysis is about the laziest piece of stattage possible. Assuming a bowling attack is "strong" for 17 years of Dravid' career isn't true. It's easy to forget that for a good few years between Donald's retirement and Steyn's rise, SA's pace attack was thoroughly unexceptional. Pollock was on the decline, and you had guys like Nel and Nantie Hayward leading their attack at times. So how does it mean that you fail against the "best" when you fail to score runs against them? At around the same time in 05-06, England's attack was in excellent form, with Flintoff bowling genuinely brilliantly for possibly the only stretch of his career. Dravid was our best batsman in that home series and Sachin was rubbish. But it was only "England" so it's ok even though they were actually the better bowling attack. Very poor stuff, OP. Be embarrassed.
 
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sumantra

U19 Cricketer
Also Dravid's average isn't good in SA and Sri Lanka but he failed against the likes of Ntini/Nel/Hayward and instead had his best series when he was our top scorer against Donald/Pollock in 97 when he was just a baby: Similarly, he trumped Murali in Kandy in 2001 when Murali was on a ridiculous run of form, taking 10fers basically every week, and won us the game on a turning last day track. So to say lol average low in x country therefore he failed when it was tough = extremely dumb.
Thanks for reminding that 75 in Candy, one of the best knocks I have seen against Murali...and as far as South Africa is concerned I know his average is about 30, but one will remember his 148 & 81 in Johannesburg against Donald, Pollock and McMillan , a test match India would have won if it didn't rain on that last day (Dravid was also India's highest scorer in that series) and also that match saving 87 in Port Elizabeth in his next trip 2001-02.
 

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