biased indian
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but still they are treated as master thinkers of the game
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Ponting attacks Gavaskar and Kumble
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
sweeping judgements?????? I said almost all the stuff that has been released abt his book so far have been a little too "holier than thou"..
And I don't think I need to read a whole book to understand that whatever "context" it may have been in... remarks like "It is interesting to see the differences in culture" etc. are not exactly the brightest statements to make out there.... He is the one making sweeping genralizations, not me...
As for the rest of the post, cut out the personal stuff.
bagapath
International Captain
It is somewhat sad to me since I was huge gavaskar fan when I was a kid. But I have to admit he is at time quite embarassing in the commentary box. All Indians over reacted to the Sydney test controversies. The fact of the matter is, our last few wickets could not be protected for a handful of overs to draw the test. A few decisions going either way can not be attributed to the host team in the age of neutral umpires. But Sunny and even Kumble had a holier than thou attitude that was very disappointing. I also believe Harbhajan deserved the ban he was handed over. He is always looking to fight with opponents and covers his bad performances with chest thumping nationalism that is very pukey to me.
Actually, I dont like bullies. And this Indian board's attitude is absolutely deplorable. The Harbhajans on the ground and Gavaskars in the commentary box are enjoying the side benefits Indian's new found financial power in the game. It wont last long.
Actually, I dont like bullies. And this Indian board's attitude is absolutely deplorable. The Harbhajans on the ground and Gavaskars in the commentary box are enjoying the side benefits Indian's new found financial power in the game. It wont last long.
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Go ahead, for all I care (which is immeasurably small).Do reserve that when Bhajji comes up with a salvo via book/statement/mouth.
No said you weren't but discussing them like they happened yesterday is silly. And, again, don't forget that he has a book to sell and this isn't just a dry, factual account of what happened in the past but his own perspective. If you were a punter, would you read a book that said "Yeah Sachin, cool guy."?
The only way arguing about it makes any real sense is if Gilly tomorrow said "Wow, I sure got it wrong in my book, didn't I? I'm recalling all copies and re-issuing them with corrections made. Sorry everyone."
honestbharani
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We had a thread about the comments he had made about these guys and I posted on that thread that they were stupid.
It was only when some of the posters here were jumping to Gilly's defence and tried to make it as though he had said nothing stupid that I and a few others were forced to go in detail... Anyways, a lot of the excerpts from his book so far have shown him in poor light and it seems he has written a lot of stupid stuff, at least IMO.. I never thought he was a "cant do no wrong" angel as many here seem to think. And I have made my opinions clear on this, I am not judging the man or judging his character by this book alone, but for me, some of the stuff he has said has been stupid.
And reg. the topic of the thread, I believe my first reply here was that there was nothing wrong in what Ponting has said this time... It was only because Burgey dragged the Gilly thing into this thread that I responded.
It was only when some of the posters here were jumping to Gilly's defence and tried to make it as though he had said nothing stupid that I and a few others were forced to go in detail... Anyways, a lot of the excerpts from his book so far have shown him in poor light and it seems he has written a lot of stupid stuff, at least IMO.. I never thought he was a "cant do no wrong" angel as many here seem to think. And I have made my opinions clear on this, I am not judging the man or judging his character by this book alone, but for me, some of the stuff he has said has been stupid.
And reg. the topic of the thread, I believe my first reply here was that there was nothing wrong in what Ponting has said this time... It was only because Burgey dragged the Gilly thing into this thread that I responded.
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I'm sorry, 'forced'? No-one forced you to do anything. I myself don't hold a totally positive opinion of Gilly but I've said my piece on that. Why is there a need to bring it up in so many threads? If it's through some misguided need to defend Sachin from any impropriety, seriously, again, who cares what Gilly thinks of him? If there's nothing to it, the claims will rest and Gilly's rep will take a hit all by itself.
You could have just let it go, like so many of us who know how irrelevant the whole thing is have. I'd suggest you might want to examine your own prejudices and why you feel the need to have a niggle at Gilly for a non-timely opinion written in his own book on topics his opinion is well-known and has been for ages.
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AWTA.
Seriously, Hayden, Ponting, Symonds, Harbhajan, etc are morons to beat all morons but we need to ask ourselves why such morons exist and persist.
What's our role in their continuing to 'flaunt' their stupidity with such regularity? They wouldn't say it if their own countrymen (a majority of them) recognised they were being morons and said so instead of agreeing, in their millions, with the stupid 'pronouncements'
Harbhajan>>Symonds>>Ponting>>Hayden in terms of moronity IMO.
Precambrian
Banned
Hayden = Harbhajan. The weed comments + third world has brought him way way down.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Hayden is simply an idiot - if you simply stop listening, he's fine.
Harbhajan on the other hand, is what Hayden is (a complete moron), plus is malicious in terms of racism, and other things like slapping a teammate (no matter how much I enjoy seeing Sreesanth cry). I don't see that maliciousness in Hayden.
Precambrian
Banned
Daymn, How on earth I forget the slapgate incident!! Yeah, Harby half a mile ahead on that single count.
Richard
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I don't think Harbhajan is in any way malicious in racist terms - I doubt he thinks of Symonds as an inferior black man (ie, inferior because of his black, or half-black, skin). However, there's no doubt he - and the same's true of Symonds, incidentally - looks for stuff with which he can wind-up and cause hurt to people to the maximum extent if he thinks it'll help him and his team do better. Hayden, well, I'm surprised anyone would not see any malice in him TBH - his comments at Graeme Smith in 2001/02 are well-publicised and were completely and totally out-of-line IMO.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I've said this before: I don't separate (and I wouldn't know how) people who are racist from people who merely say racist things. That's what you are. And, by definition, I think that makes Harbhajan malicious.
Sorry, I am not aware of those comments, what were they?Richard said:
Richard
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For me, saying racist stuff is being racist. However, the thing is, words which are racist from a racist aren't from a non-racist. It's possible to say "how's things, nigga?" and mean something very racist and something completely harmless, depending on the attitudes and values of the speaker. However, the intended meaning can always be misinterpreted if you don't know the person concerned well, so the best thing when in dialogue with someone you don't know well is to avoid usage of potentially racist terms completely.
In Harbhajan's case, as I say, I think he probably knew he could be perceived as racist in saying what he was saying, but simply didn't care, because he was more concerned with how to get on Symonds' wick.
I doubt Harbhajan thinks those of black or white (or even brown - but to be racist against one's own race is exceedingly unusual) skin are inferior because of their skin-colour - which is what he'd have to do if he actually were racist. The fact that he apparently doesn't care whether anyone thinks he's racist, though, does indeed mark him out as a numpty of the highest order. Every non-racist should hold a desire that they are not perceived as racist.
"C'mon then you ****ing stupid ****, you really reckon you're ****ing good enough to beat us?"
IMO, that's no more acceptable than "monkey". Both are completely beyond the pale.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
If that is unacceptable, then there would really be no talk out in the field. Incidentally, I think sledging should go, but I bet statements like that have been said in every Test match by players of all countries. I wouldn't single out Hayden for that.
silentstriker
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And to me, that's a huge part of the problem. But again, I don't think Hayden is any different than a number of players from pretty much every country here.
Richard
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I'd not be surprised if that sort of stuff has been said without great irregularity, but I'd single any player out for it TBH. And we can only go on what we know.
Incidentally, I don't mind talk on the field, just not nouns directed at other players, be it "****" or whatever.
bagapath
International Captain
Harbhajan is an arrogant SOB. Uncouth. Disgraceful. Absolutely graceless. No substance; and all bombast. Conniving b***rd.
But I dont know if he is a racist. while in India I dont know if he called Symonds a monkey knowing it is a reference to his skin color in the australian context. And I dont know if he called him a monkey at all while in sydney. there is no way we can conclude he made a racist remark since we have only hayden and symonds' word for it. they might have heard the hindi abuse and misinterpreted it. or harbhajan may have actually said it and lied afterwards. we dont know for sure. so we cant call it a fact yet.
i am an indian and i am not ready to brand harbhajan a racist. i dont think i am biased.