Players who've overcome physical disadvantages

[vic_orthdox]

he'd still probably average less than 30 in test cricket. and it'd be a thicker and stronger lever than what he uses now!

 

[Richard]

People'd still accuse him of chucking, o'course.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well they come into play, but so do the fingers of any bowler.
I'd like to see a human-being who can grip a cricket ball with no use of his fingers!

They're not just there for gripping though are they Richard? You must recognise this when differentiating between the two in the first place. It's about the action, and the direction the ball turns, calling Murali a wrist spinner just confuses things.

 

[Richard]

No, calling him an "off-spinner" just confuses things.
Murali's action quite clearly uses the wrist liberally (and totally differently to any other wristspinner) and the fingers simply to grip the ball, like every bowler ever.

 

[social]

People'd still accuse him of chucking, o'course.

Not since the new rules came into force.

But then again, since the adoption of the new rules, Roger Clemens has been signed as an opening bowler for Kent.

 

[Son Of Coco]

No, calling him an "off-spinner" just confuses things.
Murali's action quite clearly uses the wrist liberally (and totally differently to any other wristspinner) and the fingers simply to grip the ball, like every bowler ever.

no, because he spins the ball from the off - like all off-spinners. I'm not quite sure why you'd be confused unless, of course, you're advocating a name change everytime a bowler bowls a wrong-un/doosra/legspinner to a left-hander/chinaman to a right-hander/ offspinner to a left-hander etc etc etc

I seriously doubt you can prove that Murali doesn't use his fingers to impart spin on the ball like other finger-spinners. Some people seem to have taken the 'flexible wrist' thing and run with it, and while it adds another dimension altogether I'd like to see proof he's not a finger-spinner. Off-spinner is all-encompasing on the other hand....

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Not since the new rules came into force.

But then again, since the adoption of the new rules, Roger Clemens has been signed as an opening bowler for Kent.

I wonder if he will be able to keep his ERA under 3 in his first year with his new club?

 

[social]

I wonder if he will be able to keep his ERA under 3 in his first year with his new club?

He better, or else he'll immediately be labelled "rubbish" by TEC and "worse than Craig White" by Richard

 

[Pinkline Jones]

Quentin

 

[John Laws CBE]

I believe Quentin is Ray Martin's secret love child. It certainly seemed that way with the rediculous amount of attention he was given on ACA.

 

[Pinkline Jones]

Along with the dreadful Anthony Callea, the most irritating short-ar*ed non talents in the business.

 

[John Laws CBE]

Along with the dreadful Anthony Callea, the most irritating short-ar*ed non talents in the business.

Although he has shown a great deal of talent in the microphone tapping arena.

 

[Ray Hadley]

Along with the dreadful Anthony Callea, the most irritating short-ar*ed non talents in the business.

At least as talented as that fat sheila that won.

 

[amit_s]

the biggest physical disadvantage a cricketer can overcome is that of yalamanchili abhimanyu, a right arm fast bowler from the andhra pradesh u-14 team. y abhimanyu, lost his whole left hand in a lift accident when he was 7, but he overcame it to become his teams leading bowler in the polly umrigar trophy this year. he, despite being 1-handed, bowls and even bats really well. in batting he scores 20-25 runs easily.

amongst intl cricketers,

nawab of pataudi - 1-eyed after losing 1 eye in a car accident.
b chandershekhar - had his right arm affected with polio.
waqar younis - has 4 fingers in his left hand. he lost his little finger in an accident.
azeem hafeez - was born with 3 fingers on his right hand.

 

[Richard]

no, because he spins the ball from the off - like all off-spinners.

He spins the ball from the off to right-handed batsmen only.
To a left-hander he spins it from the leg.

I'm not quite sure why you'd be confused unless, of course, you're advocating a name change everytime a bowler bowls a wrong-un/doosra/legspinner to a left-hander/chinaman to a right-hander/ offspinner to a left-hander etc etc etc

It's judged on stock-balls. Which is why it's silly to classify Saqlain an off-break\leg-break bowler (as Wisden has done) because his stock-ball is an off-break-to-the-right-hander.

I seriously doubt you can prove that Murali doesn't use his fingers to impart spin on the ball like other finger-spinners. Some people seem to have taken the 'flexible wrist' thing and run with it, and while it adds another dimension altogether I'd like to see proof he's not a finger-spinner.

The same proof that any spinner is not a fingerspinner.
All bowlers use the fingers to grip the ball, but the spin is imparted by the wrist. Whereas a "fingerspinner" imparts the spin without really using the wrist.

 

[Richard]

Not since the new rules came into force.

No, people would still claim the new rules are stupid, and instead cling to false ideals.

 

[SpeedKing]

He is if he's bowling at right-handers.

Why are you people confusing things? So you mean that if there is a partnership of a left and right-hander that Giles is bowling to, he's bowling specification will keep changing from Legspin to offspin and vice-versa everytime a single is taken.


-Giles is Slow Left Arm [SLA] simple as. or maybe Left Arm Orthodox and this should apply to all other left arm finger spinners.
-brad hogg should be Left Arm Wrist Spin. this should apply to all left handers who use there wrists instead of their fingers.

-Shane warne should be Right Arm Wrtist Spin as should all other right arm spinners who use their wrists.
-gareth batty should be right arm othordox as he uses his fingers to turn the ball. As should all other spinners who use their fingers.

Offcourse there are always exceptions and in this generation, we have Muttiah Muralitharan who seems to be both an othordox and wrist spinning right armer at the same time.

I do not understand why legspin/ googly/ offbreak/ chinaman etc. were all added to the mix. they simply confuse people and should be scraped. it is really stupid because the only difference between offspin and offbreak is that offspin turns more than offbreak. People should just simply realise that some people [Harbajan Singh] turn it more than others [Gareth Batty].

And also, there is no difference betwen the doosra and the wrong 'un as both turn the wrong way. I can't think of a clearly more appropriate name to represent both but as i thought of it, wrong 'un seems more appropriate. this is a bit of a long shot but wot about 'reverse spinner' as seamers have reverse swing.

This would leave us with Left Arm Othordox, Left Arm Wrist Spin, Right Arm Orthodox and Right Arm Wrist Spin. The one that goes the other way can be universally called the wrong 'un [or maybe reverse spinner. No one in ICC is going to listen to me anyway]

 

[twctopcat]

I don't see what is so complicated about the definitions, they are what they are so let it be, this isn't rocket science we're talking about here.

 

[Neil Pickup]

SpeedKing - almost agreed, but the biomechanics of the wrongun and doosra are very different from one another

 

[SpeedKing]

i know its not rocket science but if someone says ''Giles is a legspinner to right handers and an offspinner to left handers'', then wot is he? Isn,t it easier to say that Giles is left arm orthodox.

. wot i am saying is that if all cricketers were Right Hand batsmen and Right hand batsmen and could only bowl over the wicket there wouldn't be as much level of confusion. unfortunately, there are such a thing as Left hand batsmen which means that a RHB's off stump is a LHB's leg stump. So say if Gareth Batty bowls the same line to a LHB and a RHB, then, he will be bowling legspin and offspin at the same time. Thus, when Cricinfo are describing him, they will have to say something like

Gareth Batty- OS-RHB and LS-LHB /RHB. in order to suit everyone.
wouldn't it be much easier to say something like

Gareth Batty- RO (right arm orthodox)/ RHB

All this was because Neil said, '' Giles is not legspinner'', then Richard went, ''if he is bowling to a RHB he is''.