***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2016/17

[Immenso]

Its definitely lack of budget.

Those tour included an ICC grant of $2m.

That's why I'm now interested in ways of making room in the budget. And seeing how SAF manage to do it (plus).

Because it's definitely needed.

 

[Kippax]

Makes me sick when ND seemingly steals a tactical hint from this thread (Gibson being flat-out dropped) and immediately reaping the fruits of it.

 

[Kippax]

Don't worry though, we'll see Blocky's boy's 5/46 and raise you a spell from....Peter Younghusband. Ah damn.

 

[Howsie]

Joe Walker will play for New Zealand in the next 12-18 months. Good bat, and excellent slipper. Like a much better version of Mark Craig.

 

[Zinzan]

Joe Walker will play for New Zealand in the next 12-18 months. Good bat, and excellent slipper. Like a much better version of Mark Craig.

Northern Districts lad I'm guessing yeah?

 

[Neil Young]

Yes. Almost all cricket from SAF I have watched was when I lived in the uk. Good Timezone for the bigger markets.

Still. It would be good to see an investigative comparison.

Because SAF are by far the biggest over achievers in world cricket, there is no mystery to them (eg slingers and mystery spinners who have escaped the official coaching pathways).

Apparently junior cricket in SA is ultra competitive with loads of parents paying for extra coaching for their young'uns. Plus their top schools all have excellent cricket facilities/coaches/teams.

I think the wheels are in motion long before these lads get to U19 and A level cricket.

 

[Immenso]

Apparently junior cricket in SA is ultra competitive with loads of parents paying for extra coaching for their young'uns. Plus their top schools all have excellent cricket facilities/coaches/teams.

I think the wheels are in motion long before these lads get to U19 and A level cricket.

Fair enough, that's something that can't be artificially recreated.

But I'm interested in what NZC could do, and how, if they had the desire.

Rather than the money excuse , when in reality they're an extremely profitable sports organisation , who have decided to allocate their budget in a certain way, and not revisited it for 15 years.

It also makes business sense. The best way to ensure NZC keep getting money rolling in, is to make sure the blackcaps are as good as possible so that they are a desirable touring partner for the big markets.

If the NZC central contracts need to reduce from 29% of shitloads to say 27% to fit in an annual A series -then that sort of thing would be money well spent.

 

[Howsie]

Northern Districts lad I'm guessing yeah?

And? I don't get your point?

 

[veganbob]

And? I don't get your point?

Its hard to take your posts about Northern Districts players seriously because you overrate them too much.

 

[Howsie]

Its hard to take your posts about Northern Districts players seriously because you overrate them too much.

See, this gets posted every now and again and I just don't see it. We've had plenty of players come through our system that I haven't rated too highly. Joe Carter, Daryl Mitchell and even Popli were all the same to a degree. All three had good to excellent starts in domestic cricket, and were talked up as possible internationals on CW, you didn't get any of that from me, trust me.

The problem is we've had so many guys come through our system here that have done well on the international scene, that I do like and rate, that it seems like any cricketer from ND I will like and talk up.

Joe Walker is a bloody talented cricketer, who even by his own admission, didn't take it seriously enough in his late teens and early 20's. Trust me when I say this, he'll be playing for New Zealand in no time, especially if Hesson and Williamson are still running the team.

 

[Immenso]

Why epically if Hess and Kane are still running th team?

Because they are keen on an off spinner? Or more to it?

 

[Howsie]

Because they're both very conservative. Williamson pretty much has no time for Ish Sodhi, he'll have him out of the team at the drop of a hat, Hesson no doubt has gone the same way with trying to turn Santner into a bowler first and foremost (after saying that wouldn't happen).

Walker is the better bowler (long form anyway). He'll give you that control, will make a handy number 8 and is an excellent slipper. Like I said, if Hesson and Kane are still in charge Walker won't be that far off playing for NZ

 

[Kippax]

A sterner and more disciplinarian coach from South Africa etc. would probably hear the reputation of Walker's Trailer Park Boys former lifestyle and give him a wider berth, maybe.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Its definitely lack of budget.

Those tour included an ICC grant of $2m.

That's why I'm now interested in ways of making room in the budget. And seeing how SAF manage to do it (plus).

Because it's definitely needed.

Don't South African tv rights pretty much fund the Super Rugby competition? I'm sure I read that somewhere recently, in an article about the restructure and why they have so many teams. So surely they are working with a lot more than NZ Cricket.

Totally agree the A tours need to be a priority though. There should be at least one per off-season.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

walker is certainly a talented cricketer but I don't see what separates him from santner apart from his ability to drink crap beer

 

[straw man]

Because they're both very conservative. Williamson pretty much has no time for Ish Sodhi, he'll have him out of the team at the drop of a hat, Hesson no doubt has gone the same way with trying to turn Santner into a bowler first and foremost (after saying that wouldn't happen).

Interesting, and a shame if Williamson is reluctant on Sodhi, especially in ODIs where Sodhi's earned his spot.

On the other point, they have been sending Santner in ahead of CDG so I don't know they're dismissing Santner's batting entirely. It's annoying that he hasn't been batting well in test cricket lately, as it does get him pushed into the bowler-first role.

 

[straw man]

With Ajaz Patel and Walker now mentioned in this thread as possible NZ players, I think Tim Johnston and Tarun Nethula are that only two domestic spinners not discussed for higher honours. (though iirc Johnston has fans too)

Laughed at Ajaz's dismissal of Bowes yesterday - I wouldn't even call it drift, just 90k left-arm inswing

 

[straw man]

Milne looks like he's bowling at 80%

 

[Blain]

Walker is a potential NZ candidate down the road because he is a bits and pieces player. Devcich, Craig, CDG, Woodcock, Ellis, Astle and even Santner have all played for NZ in the past few seasons due to their ability to hold a bat, which adds to their generally average bowling. Even Doug Bracewell wouldn't have played the amount of games he has, because of his great net form with the bat. Nathan McCullum could join that list for ODI's, although he was OK economy wise.

(Been harsh on a couple guys there, but it's true).

Neesham and Anderson are more naturally talented all rounders than those guys (batting wise anyway), so left them out.

We rely to many on bits and bobs guys atm, I understand the desire, but it clearly isn't working. I'd prefer 4 front line bowlers with 1 all rounder, or 4 bowlers with 1-2 other bowling options (Williamson and Anderson/Munro for example) for resting purposes.

 

[Blain]

How good does Nathan Smith look with bat and ball? Easily slower than the rest, but he's only 18! Big future for this lad hopefully. Finnie was also coming good before injury.