Jamie Siddons

[WindieWeathers]

He's been with Bangladesh for three years now and of course more often than not his team have lost but recently he seems to have got his players playing above themselves, with the climax of those efforts coming with their victory over England the other day, so how good is he? and could he make a bigger impact with a better team such as Pak or WI?

I was just wondering because in Bang i see a side a with a certain professionalism, organisation and togetherness that seems to have been missing from the likes of WI (and probably Pak) in recent times.

 

[Goughy]

but recently he seems to have got his players playing above themselves, with the climax of those efforts coming with their victory over England the other day.

Hmm, they were on a 24-match losing streak in international cricket and had not won a game in 2010 before their deserved victory against England.

If that is playing above themselves recently then they must be damn awful when they play are their regular level.

 

[Burgey]

Lol Gougheh. Tells it straight.

 

[Hurricane]

Good to have you back Windie.

Yeah figure that Siddons can be credited with a general improvement in the fielding. I always thought that a good coach could help them with that- they used to be shocking.

He has not been able to turn Ashraful around - but you can't work miracles. I even heard on this forum that some of his advice was making Ashraful worse and they had to let Ashraful go back to his old ways (with no success).

I think the Bangladesh cricketing authorities should be congratulated as well for being patient with him as a coach and with their players. They could easily chop and change players and coaches but they seem patient.

I don't know what to make of the decision to replace Shakib as captain. Siddons must have been consulted about that. I have mixed feelings about the decision.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Hmm, they were on a 24-match losing streak in international cricket and had not won a game in 2010 before their deserved victory against England.

If that is playing above themselves recently then they must be damn awful when they play are their regular level.

I mean "recently" in that at times they've had England in trouble be it in the Tests and now in the ODI's, that wouldn't have happened 18 months ago, and i already said that more often than not Bang have lost but lets be realistic here Siddons can only work with what he's got!! , what he's managed to do though is get them very organised with a clear game plan and along the way he's got the best out of players like Tamim, and that's what i like about him.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Good to have you back Windie.

Yeah figure that Siddons can be credited with a general improvement in the fielding. I always thought that a good coach could help them with that- they used to be shocking.

He has not been able to turn Ashraful around - but you can't work miracles. I even heard on this forum that some of his advice was making Ashraful worse and they had to let Ashraful go back to his old ways (with no success).

I think the Bangladesh cricketing authorities should be congratulated as well for being patient with him as a coach and with their players. They could easily chop and change players and coaches but they seem patient.

I don't know what to make of the decision to replace Shakib as captain. Siddons must have been consulted about that. I have mixed feelings about the decision.

Cheers for the welcome!! , i only wonder what he would do with the likes of my beloved WI or Pak? i think he could do well with either side to be honest.

 

[Top_Cat]

Siddo, led SA to a Shield final then a win the following year. For his fielding alone, he's worth whatever Bangladesh are paying him, the bloke could still out-field most blokes. Ultra-aggressive player he was too so that, I'm sure, has helped in schooling the Bangladeshi players. Hell of a leader I'm led to believe.

His bowling is rank, though.

 

[Howsie]

I must say, one thing I've liked about Siddons while coaching Bangladesh is that he doesn't seem to make changes on the basis of one or two poor performances, he sticks with players and usually gives them the best chance to succeed. There would be a ton of coaches out there that would chop and change the team all year trying to pick up a win to justify what they're doing, Siddon's IMO seems to have a grander plan.

Would he make a bigger impact on a stronger team, who knows. He'd be picking up far more results currently but who in there right mind would want to coach Pakistan or the West Indies right at this moment? As far as I'm concerned he's done a pretty good job in moulding this team for the future.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Siddons is a fantastic coach..
People with a short term vision who make judgements based purely on stats, number of wins vs number losses are obviously not capable of appreciating him as a coach nor should he care about these people.

But I have followed Bangladesh's cricket with keen interest and the changes and improvements are there for all to see..

People like Tamim Iqbal, Raquibul, Kayes, Siddiqui, Rahim have matured a great deal under his tutelage. Tamim credited Siddons greatly for his vast improvement.

There was a time when Bangladesh would regularly be 60/6 in a match. There was a time when Bangladesh would barely make it to the 5th day, forget about scoring over 200 in the fourth innings. They have acheived all of that in the recent past.

 

[Matt79]

There's a lot more wrong with both Pakistan and the Windies than the standard of coaching - I don't think there are any coaches out there who, in and of themselves, will produce any drastic changes with those teams. Siddons has been doing well from the looks of things, but before we get too excited about them having England in a spot of bother, it pays to remember the other times when it looked like Bangladesh had achieved a new level, such as the time they beat Aus in an ODI in '05, or had us in strife in a test in 06, only to resume record losing streaks. Bangers doing well tends to say more about their opponents being off their game than anything else.

 

[Black_Warrior]

^ Only for those who who use wins and losses.. I never thought Bangladesh had improved drastically after the win over Australia because I saw them get all out for 100 odd and lost the Lords test match in 3 days few weeks back against England on their maiden English tour.

Similarly I am not saying they have improved because they are 1-1 against England.. Even if it was 0-2 I would say the same thing because for the first time I am seeing 3-4 batsmen contributing with the bat for the team,,

There is a lot of room for further improvement and I dont expect them to start wininng matches from tomorrow consistently..
But I do expect Tamim, Siddiqui, Shakib, Rahim, Kayes, Raquibul, Mahmudullah to be better players than they were 2 years ago

 

[WindieWeathers]

There's a lot more wrong with both Pakistan and the Windies than the standard of coaching - I don't think there are any coaches out there who, in and of themselves, will produce any drastic changes with those teams. Siddons has been doing well from the looks of things, but before we get too excited about them having England in a spot of bother, it pays to remember the other times when it looked like Bangladesh had achieved a new level, such as the time they beat Aus in an ODI in '05, or had us in strife in a test in 06, only to resume record losing streaks. Bangers doing well tends to say more about their opponents being off their game than anything else.

If you're talking about the respective boards of those teams then i know Pak have their issues but i have to say the WICB aren't as incompetent today as they've been in the past, they have finally set up the youth Academy we were all shouting for, got the A-team going again, started our first domestic T20 competition which starts this month and have given Gibson full control at all levels in the region, what more could they do? sometimes the players have to take repsonsibility and maybe a coach like Siddons could get the best out of them? who knows.

 

[Hurricane]

Siddons has been doing well from the looks of things, but before we get too excited about them having England in a spot of bother, it pays to remember the other times when it looked like Bangladesh had achieved a new level, such as the time they beat Aus in an ODI in '05, or had us in strife in a test in 06, only to resume record losing streaks. Bangers doing well tends to say more about their opponents being off their game than anything else.

Fairplay - but there seems to be more than just one data point this time to suggest they have improved. If you took a poll of fans 12 months ago - most people would have said kick them out of test cricket. Now it seems most people have come around.

I sincerely hope, and pray, that this improvement is not a false mirage. So I HOPE you are wrong on this. Only time will tell however.

 

[Xuhaib]

There's a lot more wrong with both Pakistan and the Windies than the standard of coaching - I don't think there are any coaches out there who, in and of themselves, will produce any drastic changes with those teams. Siddons has been doing well from the looks of things, but before we get too excited about them having England in a spot of bother, it pays to remember the other times when it looked like Bangladesh had achieved a new level, such as the time they beat Aus in an ODI in '05, or had us in strife in a test in 06, only to resume record losing streaks. Bangers doing well tends to say more about their opponents being off their game than anything else.

I think a good coach could actually be very important for ill disciplined sides like Pak and WI.Pakistan did not loose a series under Woolmer for 30 months yes having Inzi,Mo Yo,Younis ,Shoaib and Asif playing together helped but he was also able to get the best out of lesser talented ones like Malik,Afidi,Akmal,Gul,Razzaq and Kaneria. His man management was spot on and apart from one incident in West indies there were never any discipline issues which plagues the side currently

Siddons deserves a lot of credit, I feel as he has turned BD from an absolute joke team to a side which can actually compete in atleast 7/10 games and more importantly he's forming a good nucleus which could actually challenge a mid table position in the next 5-7 years.

 

[Matt79]

Any team with Inzi, MoYo, Younis, Shoaib and Asif all playing together should damn well not lose a series for a while. In the absence of a captain of Inzi's status/strength, I think any coach is going to struggle at the moment.

 

[Black_Warrior]

You know the same side, were losing series after series from 2002-2004. Woolmer joined in 2004 after the series defeat against India and the improvement was there for all to see.

Thing started falling apart from 2006 onwards after the infamous Oval test..

Woolmer's biggest acheivement for me was the transformation of Younis Khan, who was neither a regular nor consistent. Not surprisingly, among the Pakistani players, Younis has the most respect for Woolmer and regularly remembers his contribution.
That for me is the greatest acheivement for a coach..

Similarly..I can see these improvements in Tamim, Rahim and Shakib..and thats Siddons' acheivement as a coach.

 

[Matt79]

I'm not saying that a coach makes no difference, or that a good coach doesnt extract better performances from particular players. I'm saying that its wrong to regard a coach as a magic bullet who can be expected to make much of a difference if there are serious problems among the player group or the administration/infrastructure.

To take the case of Woolmer, does the fact the players worked together under him but no coaches before or since say more good thigs about him as a coach or bad things about the playing group?

Do we really think that all thr coaches the Windies have had over the past decade and a bit have been bad coaches.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Oh I completely agree with you..there are whole lot of factors that are beyond the control of the coach...I mean Pakistan's decline started with Woolmer at the helm..its not his fault by any means...it was beyond his control..the issues.

 

[Furball]

I don't know what to make of the decision to replace Shakib as captain. Siddons must have been consulted about that. I have mixed feelings about the decision.

Not really a sacking as such, Mortaza was captain until he got injured against the West Indies. So from that perspective, Mortaza's simply stepped back into his role which Shakib took over temporarily.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Well apparently Shakib himself requested for a break to focus on his role as a cricketer, batsman in general...This I read in the Bangladeshi sites..